Carnivore
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longhorn314":1ri5xjve said:As long as they are locked up in our pastures ,they deserve the opportunity to be taken care of to the best point that we can provide.
Right up to the point when we kill them.
longhorn314":1ri5xjve said:As long as they are locked up in our pastures ,they deserve the opportunity to be taken care of to the best point that we can provide.
Jogeephus":2rol8y24 said:"have forced repeated pregnancy after repeated pregnancy on that cow"
Forced to breed?????? My cows are like call girls at an OPEC oil conference. ;-) Never had to force any of em. Your cows must be more virtuous than mine Carnivore. Mine must be of low moral fiber -like me. If you do in fact have a mgt problem on your place I think it is that you don't work hard enough. I don't mean to be dirsrespectful. I say this because if you were busy you wouldn't have had the time to watch nature take its course. A lot of times you may not like what you see. So had you been at work you would have either come back and found a dead calf or a momma with her calf. I do believe that nature will take its course if we just leave things alone and that 95% of all calves will be born healthy as long as they are presented properly and we STAY OUT OF IT!!!
Nothing tees me off worse than having to go pull or cut half a calf out of someones cow because "I thought I was helping, I thought the calf was stuck." Good grief, give the animal some credit. She knows what she is doing.
Wewild":3dc4chvf said:After reading all this I can't help but wonder who won.
Alice":1usx26q8 said:Carnivore":1usx26q8 said:#1) I take it as far as I want, since I own them, they are my property. Any cattleman here is going to kill all his animals at some time. I choose when to kill mine.
#2) Stupid question. Not deserving an answer.
#3 + #4) You are right. I don't vaccine any of my cows, nor use antibotics. I am prepared to loose the weak animals, I don't want cows I have to baby to keep them alive. BTW, anyone raising "organic" beef does the same thing, it's not that abnormal.
#5) Don't have any kids. Do have air conditioning, how stupid of a Q is that?
#6) No Q, so no answer. It's okay to vent though...
#7) Save them so you can kill them later. I have better things to do with my life than try to save sick cows. I have made my living saving "peoples" lives.
#8) If you want to doctor your animals so you can kill them a year two later, that's you choice.
Sounds a little like Mein Kampf...
Alice
Carnivore":3m8shh1b said:Alice":3m8shh1b said:Carnivore":3m8shh1b said:#1) I take it as far as I want, since I own them, they are my property. Any cattleman here is going to kill all his animals at some time. I choose when to kill mine.
#2) Stupid question. Not deserving an answer.
#3 + #4) You are right. I don't vaccine any of my cows, nor use antibotics. I am prepared to loose the weak animals, I don't want cows I have to baby to keep them alive. BTW, anyone raising "organic" beef does the same thing, it's not that abnormal.
#5) Don't have any kids. Do have air conditioning, how stupid of a Q is that?
#6) No Q, so no answer. It's okay to vent though...
#7) Save them so you can kill them later. I have better things to do with my life than try to save sick cows. I have made my living saving "peoples" lives.
#8) If you want to doctor your animals so you can kill them a year two later, that's you choice.
Sounds a little like Mein Kampf...
Alice
Guess you raise your cows for pets, right?
Carnivore":1i3tbv0u said:turn all the cows loose, and I would hazzard a guess that within a century, there wouldn't be a cow alive in the U.S.,
WORANCH":1e20gp8p said:Carnivore":1e20gp8p said:turn all the cows loose, and I would hazzard a guess that within a century, there wouldn't be a cow alive in the U.S.,
Longhorns made it without the help of anyone , so I don't think your right on this point.
Angus Guy":lth2iuqp said:I'm sorry but I'm alittle confused.
What do you do with the beef you raise?
Heritage_Farmboy":15vz3alt said:I think everybody should just let Carnivore be...next time he needs to know if every black cow in the world is a black angus, he can ask one of the kids at the local playground, they should be able to answer him. :lol:
Carnivore, just because you made an a$$ of yourself don't mean you have to start making threats and start saying you are going to "find out who is spineless"...well I am an honest man, and I can't say for sure if you're spineless, but I can say that you're an idiot, if I have a calf that isn't doing so well at birth, then i'd sure as heck help it out, that calf is going to be putting money in my pocket...maybe you're just too lazy to do a little bit of extra work with the calf, I aint sure
and by the way, what part of "natural selection" involves shooting the animal? Is that somehow natural? Next time you make an excuse on why you are too lazy to help a calf, don't use the natural selection excuse, then shoot the animal, it kind of defies the point of being natural :roll:
You might want to sit back and rethink your outlook on the cattle business for a while, get your mind and your excuses back in line
Have a good day
Carnivore":1mkxqx9g said:Heritage_Farmboy":1mkxqx9g said:I think everybody should just let Carnivore be...next time he needs to know if every black cow in the world is a black angus, he can ask one of the kids at the local playground, they should be able to answer him. :lol:
Carnivore, just because you made an a$$ of yourself don't mean you have to start making threats and start saying you are going to "find out who is spineless"...well I am an honest man, and I can't say for sure if you're spineless, but I can say that you're an idiot, if I have a calf that isn't doing so well at birth, then i'd sure as heck help it out, that calf is going to be putting money in my pocket...maybe you're just too lazy to do a little bit of extra work with the calf, I aint sure
and by the way, what part of "natural selection" involves shooting the animal? Is that somehow natural? Next time you make an excuse on why you are too lazy to help a calf, don't use the natural selection excuse, then shoot the animal, it kind of defies the point of being natural :roll:
You might want to sit back and rethink your outlook on the cattle business for a while, get your mind and your excuses back in line
Have a good day
Okay Farmboy, I'll answer your flame.
First, the black angus post was a tongue in cheek way of trying to understand the world of Certified Black Angus beef at the market, and some reference to any animal that was black hided was assumed to be a Certified Black Angus. As far as that goes, I am guility of starting a thread about black cows.
Secondly, if some wants to publically call me spineless, then if I call him on it, what concern is it of yours?
Thirdly, is the financial aspect. The day, (yesterday) I made a cool grand doing what I do for a living. Trying to save a $200 calf at the expense of a thousand dollars isn't good economics. I suspect even you can figure that one out. It was not about being lazy.
A couple of years ago, I had a first year cow that abandoned a calf at birth. Again, I had to work that day, but because the calf was born sometime mid night, it was discovered bawling outside our bedroom window. Our pasture is about 20 yards from our house.
The calf had been kicked out of the pasture through the electric fence, and at about 4:30 am, I was awoken by it's bawling.
Both my wife and I went out, and tried to get the mother to take the calf, but to no avail. I still had to work that day, (at 10:00 am). so, I had 5.5 hours to solve this problem. I figured that it was my responsibility, and this being February and a clear cold day, the calf was really cold. The afterbirth had dried, and it was bawling and shivering.
So, I became it's mother, (except for the nursing, of course). I took the little girl in my lap, and held it with a towel over it until it quit shivering. In the meantime, I sent my wife to town and as soon as the feed store was open, she bought colostrum and a feeding bottle, and as soon as we could, we got some nutrition in it.
In addition, I called a friend who has 5 boys, (age 14-6) and asked her if she would like a baby calf for her boys to raise. She has a little property, but the fencing was really bad. But, since the fencing would not be an issue for a few months, she decided to take it.
(By the time it was all over, I spent about $200 getting the calf it's first meals, buying addiitonal milk replacer for the friend, (who doesn't have a bunch of money), and fencing for their small pasture. I did it because I felt responsible for it, and don't regret it for a moment.)
Anyway, I then took the calf up in my arms and helped deliver it to their little shed they cleared out to take the calf, doing all of this in the 5.5 hours before I had to go work an 8-hour day. So my friend, don't call me lazy. If I was lazy, I would have given it the same fate that morning as it sufferend two years later, that being a bullet in the head.
Next...Natural selection, in the extreme means that the human predator is superior to the day old calf, and if it shoots said calf, well, the strongest killed the weakest.
Lastly, I am always amused when some one gives one attention by viture of telling everyone else to ignore him. Now who is the idiot?
I don't care about your what ifs! All cattle would be gone in one hundred years? Have you ever approached a wild cow with a calf? Everything you say doesn't make any sense in this qoute above. You don't make any sense! You are someone who was wrong and wont admit it and is deperatilly trying to make them self right and digging a deeper whole with every word.Carnivore":21p47w65 said:auctionboy":21p47w65 said:Cattle are very self sufficent in the correct enviroment. Not to long ago there were wild cattle down south. If left on there own they could survive.
Except for the fact that us humans have also removed the natural predators from the environment too. Given enough time, though, the natural predators would come back and kill all the cows. For example, about 8 years ago cougar hunting in WA state was very challenging, one had to use dogs. But, since the state banned hunting cougars with dogs, they are making a pretty successful comeback. Ban the hunting of all predators by man, turn all the cows loose, and I would hazzard a guess that within a century, there wouldn't be a cow alive in the U.S., and there would be a whole bunch of cougars and wolves preying on those humans who refuse to protect themselves.
auctionboy":5hi1guvj said:I don't care about your what ifs! All cattle would be gone in one hundred years? Have you ever approached a wild cow with a calf? Everything you say doesn't make any sense in this qoute above. You don't make any sense! You are someone who was wrong and wont admit it and is deperatilly trying to make them self right and digging a deeper whole with every word.
Heritage_Farmboy":35wfzbwd said:[
I do not understand why you wrote me a whole story about taking care of a calf, that's part of the business, everyone on this site has probably done it a few times their own selves...You act like you have done something Godly by putting a calf in a blanket, then giving it away to a friend :roll: ...if you haven't already noticed, I think your natural selection "theory" is BS, so i'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to use it as an excuse, first you wouldn't take care of the calf because of natural selection, you were just going to let it die, then you shot it because of natural selection, make up your mind, you cant use it as an excuse for everything, since you wouldn't take care of the calf, shooting it was the right thing to do...and about the spineless quote, calling someone out does not make you a bada$$, I know you think it makes you look cool but I think we'd all agree it just makes you look stupid
and by the way, I believe it is plain to see who the idiot is, but we'll just let other men and women on this site decide that for themselves
Have a good day
Alice":vqzf0enw said:You're only the strong should survive is, in my opinion, Mein Kampf-ish...and somewhat Kafkaesquian. Sad, really...
Alice
Beefy":1l3w9zfb said:iout of curiosity, these animals arent shorthorns are they?
Beefy":79f4ym47 said:i i'm not sure if putting a calf back in the pasture constitues rescueing it. probably not. most likely it would have gotten back in on its on or been adopted by some yuppies or moved to california to star in commercials or if it was here some good samaritan would have put it in the nearest pasture that it didnt belong in (found out how the extras kept getting in! lol). anyway, i doubt it would have starved to death or been eaten by a panther. maybe hit by a car though.