Bull for Red Balancers

[shaz]

Well, I just bought 15 more red balancer heifers giving me 21 total. I have a dedicated heifer bull for the first calf but after that I'm wondering what bull to use on them for a 3-way cross. I'm not really concerned about color. Just looking for the best 3-way maternal and if that means heferford then so be it but I'm open to anything within reason.

Any ideas?

 

[brihop]

If brahman influence is ok then you could go Gert or Braford. rarer breeds would be red poll or devon if you could find them, they're good maternal too. IMO, would be nice to keep all solid red for consistency.

 

[JeffMills517]

Can I ask why you are needing a maternal breed bull for your 3 way cross? And not a terminal bull?

 

[Jovid]

Well, I just bought 15 more red balancer heifers giving me 21 total. I have a dedicated heifer bull for the first calf but after that I'm wondering what bull to use on them for a 3-way cross. I'm not really concerned about color. Just looking for the best 3-way maternal and if that means heferford then so be it but I'm open to anything within reason.

Any ideas?

I would use a Red Poll bull to produce a 3 way maternal cross.

 

[DOC HARRIS]

It seems to me that you are playing 'tiddly-winks' or maybe 'leap frog' just to come up with something different. Are you focusing on an ultimate "terminal" breeding herd with multiple breed genetics, or are you experimenting with a "cow-calf" genetic formula? In other words - what is your primary "goal" in your breeding program?

DOC HARRIS

 

[Gators Rule]

It seems to me that you are playing 'tiddly-winks' or maybe 'leap frog' just to come up with something different. Are you focusing on an ultimate "terminal" breeding herd with multiple breed genetics, or are you experimenting with a "cow-calf" genetic formula? In other words - what is your primary "goal" in your breeding program?

DOC HARRIS

Ditto. In order to know what path to take, we kind of need to know where you want your destination to be. :mrgreen:

 

[shaz]

I'm a cow calf producer. The goal is terminal but I have to work on my gene pool. I have a mostly angus herd with alot of saler influence. This herd was built by dumptser diving in drought years 2005-2008.

 

[shaz]

It seems to me that you are playing 'tiddly-winks' or maybe 'leap frog' just to come up with something different. Are you focusing on an ultimate "terminal" breeding herd with multiple breed genetics, or are you experimenting with a "cow-calf" genetic formula? In other words - what is your primary "goal" in your breeding program?

DOC HARRIS

Tell me about your cows.

 

[3waycross]

It seems to me that you are playing 'tiddly-winks' or maybe 'leap frog' just to come up with something different. Are you focusing on an ultimate "terminal" breeding herd with multiple breed genetics, or are you experimenting with a "cow-calf" genetic formula? In other words - what is your primary "goal" in your breeding program?

DOC HARRIS

Tell me about your cows.

He's trying to help you! Why bash him?

 

[Taurus]

Saler? Any disposition problems?

 

[Gators Rule]

It seems to me that you are playing 'tiddly-winks' or maybe 'leap frog' just to come up with something different. Are you focusing on an ultimate "terminal" breeding herd with multiple breed genetics, or are you experimenting with a "cow-calf" genetic formula? In other words - what is your primary "goal" in your breeding program?

DOC HARRIS

Tell me about your cows.

The man has obviously forgotten more about cattle than you or I will ever know. You ask a question, and then reply with that question? Wow...that was intelligent.

 

[houstoncutter]

I'm a cow calf producer. The goal is terminal but I have to work on my gene pool. I have a mostly angus herd with alot of saler influence. This herd was built by dumptser diving in drought years 2005-2008.

I think you have to make up your mind about the direction you are going in. You cant have it both ways. A great terminal bull would not be what you want if you are trying to improve your gene pool. I think the question to ask yourself would be, is this gene pool worth the effort or should you sell out and replace your gene pool with fewer animals but better quality.

 

[ANAZAZI]

Well, I just bought 15 more red balancer heifers giving me 21 total. I have a dedicated heifer bull for the first calf but after that I'm wondering what bull to use on them for a 3-way cross. I'm not really concerned about color. Just looking for the best 3-way maternal and if that means heferford then so be it but I'm open to anything within reason.

Any ideas?

A hereford on the red balancers would work just fine. Decent steers and great heifers. And save the terminal bulls for the salers/angus cows. :2cents:

 

[3waycross]

Well, I just bought 15 more red balancer heifers giving me 21 total. I have a dedicated heifer bull for the first calf but after that I'm wondering what bull to use on them for a 3-way cross. I'm not really concerned about color. Just looking for the best 3-way maternal and if that means heferford then so be it but I'm open to anything within reason.

Any ideas?

A hereford on the red balancers would work just fine. Decent steers and great heifers. And save the terminal bulls for the salers/angus cows. :2cents:

I agree!

 

[shaz]

It seems to me that you are playing 'tiddly-winks' or maybe 'leap frog' just to come up with something different. Are you focusing on an ultimate "terminal" breeding herd with multiple breed genetics, or are you experimenting with a "cow-calf" genetic formula? In other words - what is your primary "goal" in your breeding program?

DOC HARRIS

Tell me about your cows.

The man has obviously forgotten more about cattle than you or I will ever know. You ask a question, and then reply with that question? Wow...that was intelligent.

Because I really didn't appreciate the "tidddly-winks" comment. I'm no breeder but I do what I can with what there is.

 

[shaz]

Saler? Any disposition problems?

Not really. I've heard horror stories though.

 

[shaz]

Well, I just bought 15 more red balancer heifers giving me 21 total. I have a dedicated heifer bull for the first calf but after that I'm wondering what bull to use on them for a 3-way cross. I'm not really concerned about color. Just looking for the best 3-way maternal and if that means heferford then so be it but I'm open to anything within reason.

Any ideas?

A hereford on the red balancers would work just fine. Decent steers and great heifers. And save the terminal bulls for the salers/angus cows. :2cents:

Thanks Anazazi,
That is a workable solution for me.

 

[Massey135]

Charolais for terminal calves.

Reinvest in more f1s.