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I like the idea as some here may not, but not to fond of the person/people proposing it....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/elizabeth-warren-says-big-agriculture-companies-should-be-broken-up/ar-BBVrcyA?li=BBnb7Kz#page=2

Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar expressed support Saturday for strengthening antitrust laws and enforcement to break up big agriculture monopolies.

''You've got these giant corporations that are making bigger and bigger profits ... and they're putting the squeeze on family farms and small farms,'' Warren said at the Heartland Forum, which was focused on rural issues.

The US senator from Massachusetts called for breaking up some of the biggest farming corporations ''so that they not only do not have that kind of economic power, so that they're wiping out competition, so they're taking all the profits for themselves . . . but also so that they don't have that kind of political power.''

While supporting an antitrust approach, Klobuchar, a senator and Minnesota Democrat, also proposed putting a fee on corporate mergers to help investigate noncompetitive practices.

''If we stifle competition through monopolies, we're not just going to bring up the prices for consumers, we're going to stifle entrepreneurship,'' she said.

Targeting monopolies was a key part of the agriculture policy Warren rolled out this week, which included a handful of proposals aimed at helping family farmers compete in a market increasingly saturated by major corporations.

Klobuchar and former US Representative John Delaney of Maryland, another White House hopeful who attended the forum, also rolled out rural-focused policies this week. Klobuchar announced a $1 trillion infrastructure plan that would help expand access to rural broadband and strengthen roads and bridges. Delaney offered a comprehensive rural plan that included proposals to strengthen family farmers and rural infrastructure.

Other White House contenders at the forum were former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro and US Representative Tim Ryan of Ohio, who is considering launching a bid.

The attention on agricultural communities and issues is the result of a recognition that Democrats need to do more to win over rural voters, especially in places like Iowa. The state has long been a presidential battleground, but Iowa has trended more solidly Republican over the past two election cycles, a troubling sign for Democrats seeking to oust President Trump.

''There needs to be a better connection made between politicians and rural Americans,'' said Aaron Heley Lehman, the president of Iowa Farmers' Union, which hosted the forum and bussed in members from neighboring states to hear the candidates.

In the early days of the 2020 Democratic primary, many candidates are focusing on building that connection. Several contenders, including former US Representative Beto O'Rourke of Texas, have campaigned in parts of rural Iowa that haven't seen much Democratic activity in years. Delaney is the only Democratic candidate so far to visit all 99 of Iowa's counties.

That's a key part of what Democrats need to do to win back rural America, according to Iowa state Representative Mary Gaskill — simply show up.

''There are a lot of people who are hesitant to come out as a Democrat, because they all feel neglected, or abused or shunned by their neighbor,'' she said.

Gaskill is the only Democratic lawmaker in her area, and represents a red county that went for Trump by more than 20 percentage points in 2016 — but one that Barack Obama won by nearly 12 points in 2012. Now, at least two candidates — Senators Cory Booker and Kirsten Gillibrand — have campaigned there, a development Gaskill welcomes.

''We might see our neighbors there, that we didn't know they were Democrats,'' she said.

O'Rourke didn't attend Saturday's forum. But his first Iowa swing as a presidential candidate included stops in small towns that swung from Democrats to Republicans in 2016.

He didn't change much of his message — during the swing O'Rourke still talked about the need for gun control, legal marijuana and a compassionate immigration program. But his top strategist in the state, Norm Sterzenbach, said the key was to bring those policies to people that hadn't heard directly from Democrats before.

''Maybe those ideas you like, maybe you don't, but you'll never know if we're not in there communicating,'' he said.

Gillibrand, from New York, recently visited the same swath of eastern Iowa, pitching herself to voters as a candidate who could defeat Trump because she's won in red areas of her state. She, too, didn't shy away from embracing progressive policies like gun control, universal health care and the Green New Deal, and she touted her work on the repeal of ''don't ask, don't tell,'' the policy prohibiting gays from serving openly in the military.

Neither Gillibrand nor O'Rourke won everyone over. Tom Courtney, the Des Moines County Democratic Party chairman, hosted an event for both candidates and said he wasn't impressed by their message.

''O'Rourke didn't, and [Gillibrand] didn't make a good case for rural Iowa either — nobody's doing that yet. She was talking a lot of issues that liberals always talk about,'' he said, citing leadership on the global stage, the president's morals or abortion rights. ''Trump got elected by telling people he was gonna fix their lives. I'm not hearing that here.''

Some of the Heartland Forum attendees were, however, impressed by the candidates' depth of understanding of rural issues and the policies they've proposed to tackle them. Jeri Neal, a retired sustainable agriculture consultant from Ames, said she was impressed at how fluent Klobuchar was on rural issues. She also appreciated the ''hope and optimism'' that the candidates showed when discussing policy solutions.

''What I liked about today was they really were willing to think about what's causing the problem, and how do we change that,'' she said. ''Instead of treating the problem, they're really willing to say, 'Why do we have this problem?' And treat that.''

But Matt Russell, a farmer from Lacona, said he wanted the candidates to have included farmers as a key player in some of their proposals to solve the problems confronting rural America.

''I was a little bit disappointed that there was a lot of description of the problems in rural America, but there wasn't a lot of talk of where farmers could play a really good role in providing solutions,'' he said.

Russell said he feels that Democrats spend too much money on consultants to help them figure out what strategic policies to promote, and not enough time on actually investing in Democratic leadership and organizing at the local level in rural America. And that remains a key question for Democrats: Will the fresh emphasis on rural issues will translate to added support on the ground?

Becky Bryant, a retired teacher who grew up in Storm Lake and comes from a farming family, said even a fresh effort by Democrats to take their message to rural America may fall flat in areas where being Republican is in peoples' DNA.

''I waited to change my affiliation till after my father died, because he would've been horrified. I had people attacking me because I changed parties,'' she said.

Asked how Democrats could win over voters like her family, she paused for a long minute.

''When they don't understand that the tariffs have caused them problems, when they believe that Trump is here biblically, it's a tough row to hoe,'' she said.
 
I don't know how to comment on this without breaking the rules. So I will simply say that there are a lot of empty promises being made in order for politicians to get where they want to be. I'm not promoting monopolies. But Big Ag is not the biggest problem. The MAIN, not the only, reason "small farms" are failing is bc most of us want too much out of life and that usually takes more money than a small farm can produce. Farmers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even early 90s farmed to survive. Most of us these days want more than just a simple living. You can't farm 400 acres or have 50 cows and live in big new houses with diesel trucks, new cab tractors, and all the toys to go with it. Throw in a 401k, health insurance, and vacations and it just won't work. Times are changing. Always have been. It IS NOT going to go back to the way it used to be. Even though I sometimes wish it could.

The other big player is that everything just simply costs too much. Just my :2cents: Probably worth exactly what it cost to read it.
 
JMJ Farms said:
I don't know how to comment on this without breaking the rules. So I will simply say that there are a lot of empty promises being made in order for politicians to get where they want to be. I'm not promoting monopolies. But Big Ag is not the biggest problem. The MAIN, not the only, reason "small farms" are failing is bc most of us want too much out of life and that usually takes more money than a small farm can produce. Farmers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even early 90s farmed to survive. Most of us these days want more than just a simple living. You can't farm 400 acres or have 50 cows and live in big new houses with diesel trucks, new cab tractors, and all the toys to go with it. Throw in a 401k, health insurance, and vacations and it just won't work. Times are changing. Always have been. It IS NOT going to go back to the way it used to be. Even though I sometimes wish it could.

The other big player is that everything just simply costs too much. Just my :2cents: Probably worth exactly what it cost to read it.


Secondly a majority of today's youth want nothing to do with the lifestyle.
Lot of easier ways to make a living.
 
Caustic Burno said:
JMJ Farms said:
I don't know how to comment on this without breaking the rules. So I will simply say that there are a lot of empty promises being made in order for politicians to get where they want to be. I'm not promoting monopolies. But Big Ag is not the biggest problem. The MAIN, not the only, reason "small farms" are failing is bc most of us want too much out of life and that usually takes more money than a small farm can produce. Farmers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even early 90s farmed to survive. Most of us these days want more than just a simple living. You can't farm 400 acres or have 50 cows and live in big new houses with diesel trucks, new cab tractors, and all the toys to go with it. Throw in a 401k, health insurance, and vacations and it just won't work. Times are changing. Always have been. It IS NOT going to go back to the way it used to be. Even though I sometimes wish it could.

The other big player is that everything just simply costs too much. Just my :2cents: Probably worth exactly what it cost to read it.


Secondly a majority of today's youth want nothing to do with the lifestyle.
Lot of easier ways to make a living.

I could take the "country complainers" to NYC and let them ride the subway daily, submit 200 job applications only to be turned down by everyone, try to subsist in a 300 square foot rat hole on a futon that costs $2k a month, and that is if you are lucky to get it away from the 40-50 other applicants that also desire that rat hole.

How do I know about this? I've lived it.

I would take cattle sh.t on my boots any day.

The human body is designed for VERY HARD WORK, it was never designed for office jobs. Better to work your azz off on a farm and die early, than be plagued with diseases and live forever behind a desk.

People in my area have a lot of good land that is completely being underutilized. Instead they head to the cities, and take a job, thus the land and buildings thus go into a state of disrepair, the people are stressed out with the commute, and ultimately they are no better off. How is this improvement?

Tell me where "EASY" has ever gotten you in life?
 
well, the way I see it, is if you have to have a team of lawyers on retainer, as well as a team of accountants to find the best ways to not pay tax, (I won't get into political clout), there are some things that just can't happen if you aren't made of money, no matter how hard you work at it... Around here you can't get anything slaughtered, cut and wrapped for retail sale without federal inspection... This has decimated the independent butchers and slaughter facilities, and the ones that are left are all full up with game meat in the fall, so it's impossible to even get your steer butchered when it would be the right time to do it. That's just ONE example of many... Elon Musk made a (debatably) successful car brand, but it's not like the 1920's when entrepreneurs could build and design a car and create a company around it.
 
************* said:
Caustic Burno said:
JMJ Farms said:
I don't know how to comment on this without breaking the rules. So I will simply say that there are a lot of empty promises being made in order for politicians to get where they want to be. I'm not promoting monopolies. But Big Ag is not the biggest problem. The MAIN, not the only, reason "small farms" are failing is bc most of us want too much out of life and that usually takes more money than a small farm can produce. Farmers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even early 90s farmed to survive. Most of us these days want more than just a simple living. You can't farm 400 acres or have 50 cows and live in big new houses with diesel trucks, new cab tractors, and all the toys to go with it. Throw in a 401k, health insurance, and vacations and it just won't work. Times are changing. Always have been. It IS NOT going to go back to the way it used to be. Even though I sometimes wish it could.

The other big player is that everything just simply costs too much. Just my :2cents: Probably worth exactly what it cost to read it.


Secondly a majority of today's youth want nothing to do with the lifestyle.
Lot of easier ways to make a living.

I could take the "country complainers" to NYC and let them ride the subway daily, submit 200 job applications only to be turned down by everyone, try to subsist in a 300 square foot rat hole on a futon that costs $2k a month, and that is if you are lucky to get it away from the 40-50 other applicants that also desire that rat hole.

How do I know about this? I've lived it.

I would take cattle sh.t on my boots any day.

The human body is designed for VERY HARD WORK, it was never designed for office jobs. Better to work your azz off on a farm and die early, than be plagued with diseases and live forever behind a desk.

People in my area have a lot of good land that is completely being underutilized. Instead they head to the cities, and take a job, thus the land and buildings thus go into a state of disrepair, the people are stressed out with the commute, and ultimately they are no better off. How is this improvement?

Tell me where "EASY" has ever gotten you in life?


You don't have to live in NYC, the burbs of Houston are fine for most. Live on a 1/4 or 1/2 acre lot pulling in 150k per year, big diesel truck, bass boat, golf cart, camper, UTV and deer lease.
Don't have time for silly cattle too busy living.
https://www.tuscanlakes.com
Be sure to notice new homes from the 180's (slumming) to the millions.
It is planned community after community around Houston in every direction.
 
JMJ Farms said:
The MAIN, not the only, reason "small farms" are failing is bc most of us want too much out of life and that usually takes more money than a small farm can produce. Farmers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even early 90s farmed to survive. Most of us these days want more than just a simple living. You can't farm 400 acres or have 50 cows and live in big new houses with diesel trucks, new cab tractors, and all the toys to go with it. Throw in a 401k, health insurance, and vacations and it just won't work. Times are changing. Always have been. It IS NOT going to go back to the way it used to be. Even though I sometimes wish it could.

The other big player is that everything just simply costs too much. Just my :2cents: Probably worth exactly what it cost to read it.

That, underlined part is spot on, but it crosses all sectors, not just agriculture.
Our (developed nations) have come to expect a certain 'standard of living' that our grandparents would deem on the verge of ostentatious and in my own case, as my father once chided my oldest sister..."you're trying to live above your raising"..

I know people that really aren't making all that much of a yearly salary but have a nearly $200/mo internet/cell phone bill, and claim they can't live without it.

(and yes...the cost of everything seems to have gotten upside down...grocery bill for just wife and I is as high or higher than it was when I was raising 4 teenagers..or is just something we notice or perceive more as we get older?)
 
When I was a kid we ate from the farm almost exclusively and heated with wood, no air conditioning and a nasty well for water. No cable, one phone on the wall. We didn't need cash for much. The farm provided most everything even if it was a 33 acre hobby farm with 15 cows.
 
People use to set out on the porch in their rocking chair.....$20 electric bill, $20 a week grocery's, 3 channels-antenna TV, a party line phone on the wall $12 a month, gas 69 cents gal and they didn't waste it. What more could you want and they were happier than today.

Now you De-friend somebody on facebook and they will hate you the rest of their life.
 
jltrent said:
People use to set out on the porch in their rocking chair.....$20 electric bill, $20 a week grocery's, 3 channels-antenna TV, a party line phone on the wall $12 a month, gas 69 cents gal and they didn't waste it. What more could you want and they were happier than today.

Now you De-friend somebody on facebook and they will hate you the rest of their life.

That does it, you're de-friended.
 
shaz said:
When I was a kid we ate from the farm almost exclusively and heated with wood, no air conditioning and a nasty well for water. No cable, one phone on the wall. We didn't need cash for much. The farm provided most everything even if it was a 33 acre hobby farm with 15 cows.

I didn't even know you were supposed to eat beef till I was half grown. Beef was to sell we ate chickens, hogs,out of the woods and bay. I get to thinking about it much and chicken can get hard to stomach. Killing them didn't bother me scalding them did, that smell.
Pork will kill you got my great grandma at 104 in 1963, ate pork of some kind and eggs everyday.
 
The smell of scalded chicken feathers is pretty bad for sure. I remember my Uncle Omer would wring the chickens necks, always killed 2 or 3, usually when there was going to be a family get together on Sunday, and then scald them in a 5 gallon tin can which he had heated up using splinters from a fat lightered stump. I'm reminded of that every time I smell fat lightered burning. On Sunday my grandma would cook fried chicken and chicken and dumplings with them and it was the best.
 

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