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She's a Beauty! Good luck Eddie!! :cboy:
Since we are discussing off colored cattle,
Aubracusa":1mo5ihg3 said:Hi, Cowboyup --
I looked on the Braunvieh website, did a word search, but wasn't able to locate the reference to Aubracs.
True, Aubracs and Braunvieh share a similar genetic heritage (as do many European cattle), but if you compared them side by side today, you would see some pretty distinct differences. They also come from entirely different areas of Europe.
Gary Volk is a good friend of mine, and he's raised both Braunvieh and Aubracs. He had a good Braunvieh bull around for three or four years and used him extensively. The breed's carcass characteristics were interested him the most.
He has small number of Aubracs, but loves his Salers cattle more. Both breeds work perfectly for his mountainous terrain (elevation 7500 to about 10,000 feet). He's been a leader in the Salers business since the early 1980s. I think he runs about 450 cows, which would make him one of the biggest breeders in North America.
Best,
Aubracusa
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Badlands":3eytcj12 said:Wow, Schnurrbart, it only took them 12 years to "try to set up" what I told them.
Badlands
Aubracusa":2rozfp9s said:Hi, Schnurrbart --
To my knowledge, Gary has never had any brisket problems with his Salers, Braunvieh or Aubracs. I will check with him this morning, but I'd put money on it that he's never had an animal get sick with it.
I run my cows at 7800 feet elevation, too, and have also leased ground from Gary and have never had any trouble either.
Most of our brisket problems are pretty much limited to Angus cattle (occasionally we see a Hereford cow have a problem), although the Angus breeders have made a lot of progress on this front during the last decade. Back 20 years or so ago, when the Angus breed really started to gain momentum, we saw a lot of deathloss up here as ranchers converted to Angus. Not so much anymore. Like you say, there are specific bloodlines that are more prone to trouble than others.
Interestingly, Gary and I both have used a lot of halfblood Angus cattle on both Aubracs and Salers, and not had any trouble with them at all.
My guess is that you'll find Tarentaise cattle to be well adapted to high elevations. I would be surprised if you had any trouble at all. I have five Tarentaise cows, and last summer they grazed up to as high as 9500 feet. They came home with some soggy, Aubrac-cross calves.
Tarentaise cows really get the job done.
Best,
aubracusa
http://www.aubracusa.com
Most articles say he introdced them into the U.S., but recent article said he was 1st to import "directly" into states. Others came by way of Canada and Mex. K.H.C.-MOM, you are right on with your observations. Is that F007 in your avatar?Badlands":2xl63688 said:I always got a kick out of Harlan Doeschot claims to be the first to introduce them into the USA in 1983. He is a good cattleman though, and better promoter.
My neighbor had them and was marketing locker beef from them when I was a kid in the 70's. He refered to them as Beef Brown Swiss because that is what they looked like colorwise and everyone thought "Braunvieh" was some sort of Brahman cross, so he didn't keep the original moniker.
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Badlands":1wxmcaxg said:The ATA.
Badlands