la4angus- maybe I ought to post a picture of our strategy bull. now theres a funnel butt! IMO of the cattle ive seen in our area...which are predominately black and of a particular breed, i would consider the majority of those to be lacking in the hind quarter department. our braunvieh x angus cross calves wean off the cow an average 30 lbs. heavier than our angus fullbloods, and the fullblood braunviehs wean off 40-50 lbs. heavier than the angus. frame size of all the calves is pretty consistent...the difference is in their thickness from their hindquarters and along their topline. also seem to have more depth of rib.
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