rocket2222
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rocket2222":z59wylxq said::nod:
Keep working on it...Knersie didn't get their over night either. And I saw no vicious accusations. Just well stated facts which Knersie is known for. ;-)AllForage":o8waclnz said:Never thought I would change your mind. Just can't let vicious accusations go unchecked.
If only all our animals had eye pigment like yours.
KNERSIE":2mvds7dr said:rocket2222":2mvds7dr said:Here's a link to an old thread where some pics were posted from a visit to Lents place.
http://www.cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=64579&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=lents
I guess this settles the self feeder debate ;-)
I am just saying that this alone does not warrant a blanket statement that they are of no use or won't work in a completely grassfed operation
KNERSIE":1mg2y9gw said:I am just saying that this alone does not warrant a blanket statement that they are of no use or won't work in a completely grassfed operation
Just for the sake of settling this argument... quote where I or anyone else for that matter, said that.
KNERSIE wrote:
The guts thing I believe is a matter of environmental adaptation
"Absolutely! They don't need capacity and guts so that they can consume a huge amount of low quality forgae when there are cake dispensers on the truck and the place is scattered with selffeeders and bulls are pen raised."
I am hoping the folks using his bulls will be a little more vocal
"Thats a double edged blade, I've seen as many flops as successes from his bulls."
by KNERSIE on Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:26 pm
rocket2222 wrote:
Here's a link to an old thread where some pics were posted from a visit to Lents place.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=64579&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=lents
"I guess this settles the self feeder debate "
KNERSIE":cgqiptm3 said:OK here is what I am saying so you don't have to guess or read between the lines.
I have never seen a Lents bull in the flesh, however I have been involved in more than one where I mentored the herd where I have followed the bull from the time it left OK till the day he was sold at the salebarn.
I have been following Jim's program for a number of years, have exchanged many e-mails in the past with him, learnt from him, etc. I still receive the Lamplighter and find it an amusing read, very much like the Adventures of Tin-Tin, its little more than fiction and escapism and unfortunately not always factual or scientific. I have seen numerous Lents bulls fall to pieces and never recover, I am not prepared to name all the owners. They may do a lot right, but doing ability is their biggest shortcoming and in my opinion that can be fixed by selecting for more girth and guts, unfortunately a "hideous hay belly" is one of Jim's pet hates.
They may be prepotent, but its not only good traits that are passed on as can be seen in the pics you've posted. There is no program in the world where they "all are the same" and just about every bull born are sold as a herdsire "because they are so tightly linebred they are all the same".
Believe what you want, but be openminded enough to see that there are other lines, some linebred some not that are better grazers than the Lents cattle and try and see the common denominator in these herds.
As soon as I see someone writing and claiming one thing and practising the other it gets filed under "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshite" in my biased opinion.
KNERSIE":dg1jqcnl said:I have never seen a Lents bull in the flesh, however I have been involved in more than one where I mentored the herd where I have followed the bull from the time it left OK till the day he was sold at the salebarn.
I have seen numerous Lents bulls fall to pieces and never recover,
rocket2222":2cicdhpl said:Here's a link to an old thread where some pics were posted from a visit to Lents place.
http://www.cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=64579&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=lents
purecountry":3l6mq1ak said:KNERSIE":3l6mq1ak said:I have never seen a Lents bull in the flesh, however I have been involved in more than one where I mentored the herd where I have followed the bull from the time it left OK till the day he was sold at the salebarn.
I have seen numerous Lents bulls fall to pieces and never recover,
I am only looking for clarity here Knersie. You say you have never seen a Lents bull in the flesh, yet you've seen numerous ones fall apart? If you've never seen one in the flesh, do you mean you have heard second hand from people who have had them, that they fell apart?
Ok good now we are talking. I know exactly where you stand on this issue. I would like to see examples of enough girth and guts based on your experience. If you have pictures or if you have posted them in another thread point me to that thread. It would be good to have rear, front and side angle pictures of both male and female examples both good and bad if you have them. In picture format just in life you need to have a measuring stick to be able to contrast correctly. For my education it would be helpful.
Regards, DGvontrapp1
EAT BEEF":2l2i3pcz said:I think the proof of Lents catttle (good or bad) will be in the offspring when outcrossed.