Black Charolais

[denvermartinfarms]

When it is mentioned that the black calves sell better - is that price per lb. or total dollars in your pocket? I ask that because in my area, we have seen the number of black calves go from maybe 2 in 10 twenty years ago to now 7 out of every 10th calf that sticks his head in the auction ring. There used to be a premium for black hided calves, now black is common I don't see them bring more than a good yellow or red calf.

I think that vary's from different locations, around here a good yellow or yellow white faced calf will bring as much as a black, but a red or grey will not.

 

[#LHB#]

The beef specialist from NC State

Be careful how much advice you take from these folks. They do not have to pay feed bills, pull calves, and balance your checkbook at the end of the day. Like your last post, you are missing the forest for the trees. With your climate you should be using a small efficient cow to graze as long as possible no matter how cheap you think your hay is. A live calf in fescue country should be your first concern. Not breaking the scales.

Thanks for your response. They were not the only ones saying this. People who have been raising cattle in this area for fourty years are going to them along with Sims, so its not just the beef specialist. Just trying to get advice from other people and I will try harder to see the forest your talking about. Thanks again

 

[BC]

When it is mentioned that the black calves sell better - is that price per lb. or total dollars in your pocket? I ask that because in my area, we have seen the number of black calves go from maybe 2 in 10 twenty years ago to now 7 out of every 10th calf that sticks his head in the auction ring. There used to be a premium for black hided calves, now black is common I don't see them bring more than a good yellow or red calf.

I think that vary's from different locations, around here a good yellow or yellow white faced calf will bring as much as a black, but a red or grey will not.

Same here in East Texas.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

The beef specialist from NC State

i take it they meant white chars... then id give them what they want......personaly, i wouldnt use a blackened continental anymore .....

 

[back2dfuture]

I think black hides were getting such a high premium due to the Angus Marketing Machine, which is great. But what I wonder if those of us that are focusing on the black hide are we behind the curve. As a newbie, over the past few years as prepared for the day I took over my family's land, I would see & read reports focusing on developing a cow that's more efficient on grass, regardless of color.. I guess what I'm asking are we looking forward enough into the future? Are we trying to develop or manage the wrong genes? Will a day come when hide color want matter? If fed,fuel & fertilizer for improved grasses are pricing the small to mid-size cattleman out the business, should we look at creating more profit by improving our herd in other ways?

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Your copy and paste skills are outstanding!

 

[back2dfuture]

Your copy and paste skills are outstanding!

Yes they are!!!!... I was trying to spark some productive convo, but..... To no avail.

 

[carolinacattleman]

I ALSO LIVE IN NC. I'VE BEEN CROSSING REG.BLACK ANGUS WITH RED.HORNED HERFORDS SEVERAL YEARS. IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY QUALITY BLACK BALDIES ARE HARD TO BEAT. I SELL ALL I CAN GET STRIGHT OFF THE FARM THIS YEAR I SOLD HEIFERS FOR $1350 TO $1500. I'M HAPPY

 

[#LHB#]

I think black hides were getting such a high premium due to the Angus Marketing Machine, which is great. But what I wonder if those of us that are focusing on the black hide are we behind the curve. As a newbie, over the past few years as prepared for the day I took over my family's land, I would see & read reports focusing on developing a cow that's more efficient on grass, regardless of color.. I guess what I'm asking are we looking forward enough into the future? Are we trying to develop or manage the wrong genes? Will a day come when hide color want matter? If fed,fuel & fertilizer for improved grasses are pricing the small to mid-size cattleman out the business, should we look at creating more profit by improving our herd in other ways?

hey b2f I agree 100%, I think the black hyde craz was created by the Angus Marketing Machine. Personally I dont care what color they are and wish that you were payed by quality over color. However it doesnt work like that and if I can get my quality of meat up and get my calves more efficant and gaining better and still keep the premium by having a black hide, well in my book its a win-win.

 

[THC Black Charolais]

First time user here so not sure if this is the place to respond. I am owner operator of THC Black Charolais in Ada Ok. I've got a hand selected group of REGISTERED BLACK Charolais. Canadian Charolais Association recognizes them. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have about the breed. 580-504-1229

 

[Caustic Burno]

I think black hides were getting such a high premium due to the Angus Marketing Machine, which is great. But what I wonder if those of us that are focusing on the black hide are we behind the curve. As a newbie, over the past few years as prepared for the day I took over my family's land, I would see & read reports focusing on developing a cow that's more efficient on grass, regardless of color.. I guess what I'm asking are we looking forward enough into the future? Are we trying to develop or manage the wrong genes? Will a day come when hide color want matter? If fed,fuel & fertilizer for improved grasses are pricing the small to mid-size cattleman out the business, should we look at creating more profit by improving our herd in other ways?

hey b2f I agree 100%, I think the black hyde craz was created by the Angus Marketing Machine. Personally I dont care what color they are and wish that you were payed by quality over color. However it doesnt work like that and if I can get my quality of meat up and get my calves more efficant and gaining better and still keep the premium by having a black hide, well in my book its a win-win.

I hate Angus and have a bull standing in the pasture. If you are going to use Angus DNA why not run the real thing.
Black hereford's Char's beefmanster's and so on you are BSing yourself IMO.

 

[novatech]

Black hereford's Char's beefmanster's and so on you are BSing yourself IMO.

Or are you really BSing the people you selling to?

 

[CKC1586]

the obsession to make every breed black drives me crazy. (more crazy) You do not eat the dang hair. Each breed has its own merits. What folks are doing is taking advantage of the millions and millions of dollars the angus have spent on marketing. Most breeds cannot compete with the angus wallets. If it is black it is anugs. Give me a break.

 

[Taurus]

the obsession to make every breed black drives me crazy. (more crazy) You do not eat the dang hair. Each breed has its own merits. What folks are doing is taking advantage of the millions and millions of dollars the angus have spent on marketing. Most breeds cannot compete with the angus wallets. If it is black it is anugs. Give me a break.

There is a reason why Angus are popular and its not a color. Every breed has their own flaws and not all breed has same quality of the meat that the customers desired. Its all demand from the customers. The only one thing I don't like is Black Hereford that is selected for their color only and not meat quality.

 

[VanC]

There is a reason why Angus are popular and its not a color. Every breed has their own flaws and not all breed has same quality of the meat that the customers desired. Its all demand from the customers. The only one thing I don't like is Black Hereford that is selected for their color only and not meat quality.

Off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few breeds that used to be red that now offer black: Limousin, Gelbvieh, Simmental, Salers, Beefmaster, Braunvieh, Maine Anjou, South Devon and probably others. Why are they any different than Black Herefords? What were they selected for if not for color only?

 

[sim.-ang.king]

There is a reason why Angus are popular and its not a color. Every breed has their own flaws and not all breed has same quality of the meat that the customers desired. Its all demand from the customers. The only one thing I don't like is Black Hereford that is selected for their color only and not meat quality.

Off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few breeds that used to be red that now offer black: Limousin, Gelbvieh, Simmental, Salers, Beefmaster, Braunvieh, Maine Anjou, South Devon and probably others. Why are they any different than Black Herefords? What were they selected for if not for color only?

Can't speak for the others but with my simmentals it was frame size, birth weight, and days on feed for the reason of mixing in Angus like any crossbreeding, it's to make improvements. Tell me when you see a black steer do you think it has Red Poll in it? Of course not, but you do know it has angus in it, and that is basically what has happen. All of the crossbred animals that use to come in hundred different colors now come in one color so you know it is at least somewhat angus.
And what's bloody wrong with calling a black animal black? They call Red Angus red, Red Holstein red, Red Poll red. Should we call them European Angus, Cross Holstein, and Poll?

 

[Caustic Burno]

The American public has been so BS'd they wouldn't know a Yak steak from an Angus.
The greatest marketing con that was ever pulled was CAB . It was genius for their association.

 

[djinwa]

There is a reason why Angus are popular and its not a color. Every breed has their own flaws and not all breed has same quality of the meat that the customers desired. Its all demand from the customers. The only one thing I don't like is Black Hereford that is selected for their color only and not meat quality.

Off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few breeds that used to be red that now offer black: Limousin, Gelbvieh, Simmental, Salers, Beefmaster, Braunvieh, Maine Anjou, South Devon and probably others. Why are they any different than Black Herefords? What were they selected for if not for color only?

Can't speak for the others but with my simmentals it was frame size, birth weight, and days on feed for the reason of mixing in Angus like any crossbreeding, it's to make improvements. Tell me when you see a black steer do you think it has Red Poll in it? Of course not, but you do know it has angus in it, and that is basically what has happen. All of the crossbred animals that use to come in hundred different colors now come in one color so you know it is at least somewhat angus.
And what's bloody wrong with calling a black animal black? They call Red Angus red, Red Holstein red, Red Poll red. Should we call them European Angus, Cross Holstein, and Poll?

So what percent angus is a black simmental? If it is 1/32 angus, seems you weren't using angus to improve traits other than the color. In other words, trying to make people think they are angus when very little is.

I've learned here that if an animal's hair is at least 51% black, it can qualify as Certified ANGUS Beef. That's like painting a chinese tractor 51% green and selling it as a John Deere. I guess you're saying if 3% of the parts are Deere, then it is a Deere?

If they'd quit calling it Certified Angus Beef, I'd be okay with it. Just call it Certified Black Haired Beef. I mean, what does it mean to CERTIFY something? If you aren't certifying what you say you're certifying, then it's bogus.

The whole purpose of a certification is to certify, or guarantee, that what you are certifying is indeed what you are saying it is.

As CB said, fortunately the public is ignorant, but someday someone's going to expose the fraud and some people will lose trust. I know alot of people worked up over antibiotics and hormones - now here's another thing to turn people off.

 

[cow pollinater]

51% black is only one of the requirements.

 

[Taurus]

There is a reason why Angus are popular and its not a color. Every breed has their own flaws and not all breed has same quality of the meat that the customers desired. Its all demand from the customers. The only one thing I don't like is Black Hereford that is selected for their color only and not meat quality.

Off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few breeds that used to be red that now offer black: Limousin, Gelbvieh, Simmental, Salers, Beefmaster, Braunvieh, Maine Anjou, South Devon and probably others. Why are they any different than Black Herefords? What were they selected for if not for color only?

Black Hereford absolutely lacks of quality traits if you hasn't looked at them lately. I don't have any problems if they labeled black animals properly such as SimAngus, Chi-Angus, Balancer and Limoflex instead of a Black (insert a breed here). Most blackized breeds has offering some traits such as growth, maternal traits, birthweight, weanweight, better carcass and less days on feed at the feedlots. To be fair, some of blackized breeds haven't catch on with most cattlemen where other blackized breeds have succeed.