kenny thomas
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In 2011 which US state was the first to have an official state gun? Utah, A Browning pistol.
kenny thomas":gepvqfck said:In 2011 which US state was the first to have an official state gun? Utah, A Browning pistol.
M-5":3llgqeji said:First of all I only clarified terminology. And I never made lite of this tragedy. But any person that believes GUNs are the problem is the only ignorant ones here. This is a social, mental problem within our society. If your knowledge of weapons is limited I suggest reserving your judgement on things you don't understand. Any person can carry 100s of rounds in 10 round magazines and it only takes split seconds to change them.
M-5":30ka7f80 said:How do we fix it??? Well my solution breaks forum rules because it has involves politics and religion. Truth is been happening since beginning of time and it will continue long after we are gone. The real solution starts at home with real parents man/woman, a healthy dose of the Bible and eliminate the welfare system that enables people to have no self respect.
Back to the camels nose under the tent:boondocks":2gbmu9lu said:Maybe it's time for gun proponents to realize some sane safeguards are needed, before a serious anti-gun lobby takes over.
boondocks":2bi28ew4 said:But I am not so naive as to think
The real numbers are down in mass shootings. so don't be so naïve to this just because the media sensationalizes it we are seeing more of this kind of tragedy. More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens makes for a safer environment. death is a pretty good deterrent to criminals. and the heros you read about never could really prepare for that day that they made the decision to defend their life or someones elses . they just handled the situation they were facing. you nor I can not fathom self preservation until we are put in that situation.boondocks":2xoqvhdy said:M-5":2xoqvhdy said:How do we fix it??? Well my solution breaks forum rules because it has involves politics and religion. Truth is been happening since beginning of time and it will continue long after we are gone. The real solution starts at home with real parents man/woman, a healthy dose of the Bible and eliminate the welfare system that enables people to have no self respect.
A healthy dose of the Bible like that kid that shot up the church in the middle of Bible study he was attending?Crazy is Crazy no matter what they are taught, A deep rooted faith keeps a person on the moral side of the fence most of the time. "Real" parents like the Oregon shooter's mother (a nurse) that was a big gun fan, and thought it just a grand idea to supply her troubled son with them, and the training on how to use them? While a lot of single parents do a good job , nothing replaces a mom and dad at teaching children about family values
Mind you, I'm not saying that we don't have an awful lot of parents who are abdicating their responsibilities. But I have seen as much of that in the higher classes as in the lower classes, in some ways. And I think you are mistaken that supposedly religious people aren't violent*, or that traditional and gun-loving parents can't be bad parents. Every single person has the capabilities of being that person who does these heinous acts. if you run the numbers the statistic's are low when you apply Complete moral family unit
*(Come to think of it, the only person who has ever explicitly threatened to kill me was a faithful 3x/week churchgoer from a major Bible-thumping family).
I have guns. But I am not so naive as to think that I am some grand hero that could have saved those poor souls, no matter how much training I had. And for that matter, why should those who don't want to be forced to have guns to protect themselves from gun-lovers? Maybe it's time for gun proponents to realize some sane safeguards are needed, before a serious anti-gun lobby takes over.
ram":9q69jpnl said:
Katpau thank you for responding to my question.Katpau":1cudrks2 said:The police are not yet releasing all of the details, however they did say he had purchased 14 guns. Most in the last three months. All legally purchased, mostly by him. A few by a close relative. (probably Mom?) I believe he brought at least 7 onto campus and had at least 4 of them with him in the room at the time of the shooting. His long guns were still in the vehicle parked nearby. At least one was a repeating rifle. He had a bullet proof vest and plenty of spare ammunition, but never had to reload. I thought most hand guns only had 6 bullets, but my husband told me he had one of those guns with the repeating handgun cartridge. He smiled and seemed to enjoy himself as he tortured them and asked them to beg for their life, and then said "Not good enough". One of the survivors faked death after another fell on her covering her in blood. He asked someone if she was alive. They responded "I don't know", so he shot the one who answered and moved to the next. She said when the officers arrived, he went out the door and began to fire. He was hit, and then came back in the room. Said something like "I'm hit. I'm done. Then shot himself.
hurleyjd":1wvd64yi said:ram":1wvd64yi said:
Does your daughter carry that pretty little shotgun with her 24/7. When in school does she prop it up beside her desk. When in Church lay it in the pew next to her. Maybe you have a gun stand behind the back of each pew like they have the hymnals and bibles. Would hate to live a life centered around a gun.
Ryder":1wvd64yi said:If you don't think you could use a gun then I think you use good judgment not to have one. That is your decision and you have as much right not to own a gun as I do to have one.
Jogeephus":db1opgzq said:boondocks":db1opgzq said:But I am not so naive as to think
I beg to differ. You are, you really are. Don't sell yourself short.
boondocks":x7h6u1ze said:Jogeephus":x7h6u1ze said:boondocks":x7h6u1ze said:But I am not so naive as to think
I beg to differ. You are, you really are. Don't sell yourself short.
Did I get personal with you? Insult you? I did not. Appreciate the same courtesy. Thanks.
M-5":3v88rk2f said:you need to pay attention BOW the "prime time" shows are riddled with vulgar language. And they have pushed the limit on naked on "primetime" as well.
Bestoutwest":12kxxp58 said:That's part of the allure of the internet. You get to insult people, hundreds of miles away, that you've never met. Honestly, I think that most everyone on here would get together, sit down, and have one heck of a time talking over a cold beer.
One of the biggest problems here is that everyone is slinging mud haphazardly over this issue. That's not the way to solve the problem. I know a lot of you blame this on fractured families, lack of religion, etc. Something no one has mentioned is the amount of violence everyone is subjected to via television shows, commercials, sports, movies, the internet, music, video games, etc. Watch TV, I dare you (horrible, I know) and you'll see violence on TV all night long. I'm talking about the local channels, prime time. Yet, you'll never hear a swear word, naked body, someone using the bathroom. I'm not suggesting that we should!!! Don't miss my point here: We, as a society, are normalizing violence above all other things. We are teaching everyone that violence is more normal than almost everything else.