ANOTHER comment about color

[branxchar&charx]

Alright, i had someone try to tell me that the sire of this calf was a hereford. I just stopped especially after they said bulls had to be a "trained fence jumper" to get into the next pasture.


Calf was born about a week ago and she calved during the timeframe where got rid of the hereford and replaced with a charolais. The north side pasture had a couple black bulls, and only other bull is a hereford on the west side separated by a two lane highway.

 

[daneg]

Tough to guess which bull, but I notice the cow has black points so the black could have come from her.

 

[greybeard]

Don't know about the sire of the calf but I see NW OK is still raising a good crop of tumbleweeds...

 

[Rafter S]

. . . Calf was born about a week ago and she calved during the timeframe where got rid of the hereford and replaced with a charolais. The north side pasture had a couple black bulls, and only other bull is a hereford on the west side separated by a two lane highway.

I could certainly be wrong, but my money is on it being one of them.

 

[MurraysMutts]

Definitely not outta the char bull.

IF the cow is a black carrier (she looks red)
Could certainly be out of hereford bull. Only takes one black gene to make a black calf.

Unless you have a bona-fide fence jumping bull, my money is on the hereford sire as well.

 

[J+ Cattle]

Tough to guess which bull, but I notice the cow has black points so the black could have come from her.

I'm with @daneg, the cow has a black nose and black hooves, she has the black gene in her genetics.

 

[RockinRB]

She looks gray to me. Gray is just a diluted black so she absolutely can have black calves out of red bulls.

 

[Nesikep]

I'd guess one of the black bulls as well, I'd expect more white from a herf sire with that cow, but the calf having the identical pattern to the mom I've seen a few times breeding to solid colored bulls

 

[coachg]

Black bull , case solved !

 

[Brute 23]

No way to know. I would lean toward black bulls because of the lack of white that most Herefords would add but it is very possible it was a Hereford.

 

[MurraysMutts]

I noticed a bit o white on the calfs belly. No white socks tho.

Ya ever seen the angus over the fence? Be a good trick, jumping back over after doing the deed...

 

[FlyingLSimmentals]

Vote here is a Black Bull

 

[anewcomer]

Some of the experts here may correct me, but there is a "black, red carrier" not a"red, black carrier".

 

[coachg]

3 different angus bulls over Hereford or Hereford cross cows. I've got more if you need more ?

 

[anewcomer]

Not following you,Coach. These are Angus sired calves. Guaranteed to be black. This calf from the OP was not believed to be sired by an Angus bull.

 

[coachg]

Not following you,Coach. These are Angus sired calves. Guaranteed to be black. This calf from the OP was not believed to be sired by an Angus bull.

Black white faced calf out of crossbred cow , possibly Hereford cross . Put a black bull over her you going get black . Hereford bull over crossbred cow , possibly Hereford cross , you going to get red . My 2 cents . About what my post is worth .

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

No - that is not correct - IF that cow is grey like she "appears" to be in the picture. Being grey, means she is a black diluted cow. That means she carries the black gene. Therefore, the calf could easily be black (25% chance) out of a Hereford bull. Now, what the chances of the calf not getting white legs, I don't know?? But, all of Coachg's calves have solid black legs out of very Hereford marked mommas.

 

[coachg]

No - that is not correct - IF that cow is grey like she "appears" to be in the picture. Being grey, means she is a black diluted cow. That means she carries the black gene. Therefore, the calf could easily be black (25% chance) out of a Hereford bull. Now, what the chances of the calf not getting white legs, I don't know?? But, all of Coachg's calves have solid black legs out of very Hereford marked mommas.

I'll have to go back and look but I think there are some white stockings in some of the baldie calves . I have a degree in biology and taught genetics. There are so many variables when you say the black gene is always dominant. If you do a basic Punnet square , yes you get 25 % . I still say a black bull jumped the fence, if they can jump in they can jump out .

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

Maybe you had "some" white on the baldie calves, but your pictures show they don't ALWAYS get white out of Hereford genetics.
Bottom line, if the cow is carrying a black gene, she can be bred to a red billie goat (kidding) and she could have a BLACK offspring. period. ONE black gene CAN produce a black calf. I get them all the time. And sometimes, I get a red calf out of a black cow and a black bull - both being hetero-black = 25% chance of a red calf. I enjoy genetics and have been dealing with color, diluter gene, horn gene for over 50 years.

 

[coachg]

The original question was the calf out of a Hereford bull or a black bull , I say black you say Hereford I think . Gray cow + red Bull = black baldie calf . Case closed