A great man

[herofan]

I have, and it is no longer celebrated by schools as a day off, which was my point. It's not even on most calendars anymore.

During a normal year, our school is scheduled to be off on MLK Day and President's Day. I have noticed, however, that President's Day is always listed as a make-up day in case we miss prior to that for snow. MLK Day is never used as a make-up day. It wouldn't matter if we missed every day in January up to that point, we still wouldn't use MLK as a make-up day.

 

[Dusty Britches]

It's simply. The union was fighting to preserve the union. The confederacy fought to preserve slavery.

War is never that simple.

It had been brewing for decades and the tariffs was just the start of it. Oppressive federal government tactics and actions in many areas is what started the Civil War. Slavery became an issue after the start of the war and it became the issue that led to the end of the war. See the Emancipation Proclamation, signed January 1, 1863, more than 2 years after the start of the war.)

"From the first days of the Civil War, slaves had acted to secure their own liberty. The Emancipation Proclamation confirmed their insistence that the war for the Union must become a war for freedom. It added moral force to the Union cause and strengthened the Union both militarily and politically."

If it added to the cause more almost 3 years after the start of the war, there is no way it was the cause of the war.

You should read books that were published shortly after the Civil War to get a understanding of it. Recent arguments on both sides are driven by political and cultural ideology.

 

[Caustic Burno]

War is never that simple.

It had been brewing for decades and the tariffs was just the start of it. Oppressive federal government tactics and actions in many areas is what started the Civil War. Slavery became an issue after the start of the war and it became the issue that led to the end of the war. See the Emancipation Proclamation, signed January 1, 1863, more than 2 years after the start of the war.)


If it added to the cause more almost 3 years after the start of the war, there is no way it was the cause of the war.

You should read books that were published shortly after the Civil War to get a understanding of it. Recent arguments on both sides are driven by political and cultural ideology.

Just like the current situation were in.
This has been brewing for the last twenty years, pot is close to boiling.
It's not just one issue either.

 

[Little Joe]

As I stated in my earlier post, you can't convince me all those poor southern boys were fighting so a bunch of rich guys could own slaves. Slavery might've been the motivation for some involved, but at the core, that was not why most were fighting. At that time, as mentioned in an earlier post, your home state was more like what we consider our country now, most had never left their county so all their loyalty was local because that was what they knew and who they knew. To an old boy in Arkansas a New Yorker might as well been Chinese as far as he was concerned. And just like now, I'm sure there were those stoking the flames on both sides telling everyone what they needed to hear to motivate them to fight.

 

[Caustic Burno]

As I stated in my earlier post, you can't convince me all those poor southern boys were fighting so a bunch of rich guys could own slaves. Slavery might've been the motivation for some involved, but at the core, that was not why most were fighting. At that time, as mentioned in an earlier post, your home state was more like what we consider our country now, most had never left their county so all their loyalty was local because that was what they knew and who they knew. To an old boy in Arkansas a New Yorker might as well been Chinese as far as he was concerned. And just like now, I'm sure there were those stoking the flames on both sides telling everyone what they needed to hear to motivate them to fight.

A lot of them were conscripted.

 

[TexasBred]

War is never that simple.

It had been brewing for decades and the tariffs was just the start of it. Oppressive federal government tactics and actions in many areas is what started the Civil War. Slavery became an issue after the start of the war and it became the issue that led to the end of the war. See the Emancipation Proclamation, signed January 1, 1863, more than 2 years after the start of the war.)


If it added to the cause more almost 3 years after the start of the war, there is no way it was the cause of the war.

You should read books that were published shortly after the Civil War to get a understanding of it. Recent arguments on both sides are driven by political and cultural ideology.

Dusty you're reading the confederate lost cause books. Educate yourself. I
n its constitution, Confederate leaders explicitly provided for the federal protection of slaveholding:

"In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

It's a provision that clashes jarringly with neo-Confederate mythos—how could the South secede to preserve states' rights if its own constitution mandated legal, federally protected slavery across state borders?

 

[Son of Butch]

Just like the current situation we're in.
This has been brewing for the last twenty years, pot is close to boiling.
It's not just one issue either.

To say the start of the civil war is a complex issue is an understatement.
Further muddled by the victor's historians promoting their storyline showing
themselves to be the heroes. "To the victor goes the spoils."
To find truth one must look at the events occurring and what was being said
before the war rather than after.

1793 Canada became the first territory in the British Empire to outlaw slavery
1794 France abolished slavery
1807 UK outlawed international slave trade and imposed fines
1811 UK authorized the Royal Navy to seize slave ships and from 1808-1860
1,600 ships were seized and 150,000 slaves freed
1834 UK abolished slavery and paid slave owners in today's dollars $1200-3,000 per registered slave freed. To finance the payments England received a loan of 5 billion in today's dollars from Jewish Banker Nathan Rothschild, whose family today owns a large share of the Federal Reserve. (It's not federal and there is no reserve)
The Rothschild family also financed loans to both sides of the civil war.
It's estimated the Union spent 1.2 trillion in todays dollars on the war.

1856 James Buchannan age 65, from Pennsylvania elected president - pledged
to serve only 1 term and that his priority would be harmony between northern
and southern states.
He opposed slavery, but believed it was a matter of state's rights and that
there were large coalitions in the south moving to abolish slavery peacefully.
He spoke out against Northern Abolitionist aggression saying their actions
inflamed passions and would postpone emancipation by 50 years in 3 or 4
southern states.

"Although in Pennsylvania we are all opposed to slavery in the abstract, we can never violate the constitutional compact we have with our sister states.
Their rights will be held sacred by us. Under the constitution it is their own question and there let it remain." - James Buchanan
So of course 7 states seceded while he was president - lol - true

In office from March 4 1857 to March 4 1861
He fulfilled his promise of only seeking one term and in December the month after Lincoln was elected South Carolina seceded. Despite the efforts of he and former President John Tyler to reason with southern leaders to stop the secession and give Lincoln a chance, but by the end of January 6 more states had seceded.
Because they FEARED what Lincoln maybe might do. Lincoln took office in March and the south attacked Fort Sumter on April 11, 1961.
During the 1st year the civil war was sometimes called "Buchanan's War."

Buchanan thought restraint was the essence of good self government and wrongly predicted that history would vindicate him.

Morale of the story: when FEAR is the motivating factor it's impossible to talk sense into anyone.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Excellent write up and very accurate.
The major difference is the lighting speed the media can whip up the crowd today.
Of course the media whipped up the crowd as well then.

 

[Dusty Britches]

TexasBred, you clearly did not click on the link. That is from the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

 

[RDFF]

To say the start of the civil war is a complex issue is an understatement.
Further muddled by the victor's historians promoting their storyline showing
themselves to be the heroes. "To the victor goes the spoils."
To find truth one must look at the events occurring and what was being said
before the war rather than after.

1793 Canada became the first territory in the British Empire to outlaw slavery
1794 France abolished slavery
1807 UK outlawed international slave trade and imposed fines
1811 UK authorized the Royal Navy to seize slave ships and from 1808-1860
1,600 ships were seized and 150,000 slaves freed
1834 UK abolished slavery and paid slave owners in today's dollars $1200-3,000 per registered slave freed. To finance the payments England received a loan of 5 billion in today's dollars from Jewish Banker Nathan Rothschild, whose family today owns a large share of the Federal Reserve. (It's not federal and there is no reserve)
The Rothschild family also financed loans to both sides of the civil war.
It's estimated the Union spent 1.2 trillion in todays dollars on the war.

1856 James Buchannan age 65, from Pennsylvania elected president - pledged
to serve only 1 term and that his priority would be harmony between northern
and southern states.
He opposed slavery, but believed it was a matter of state's rights and that
there were large coalitions in the south moving to abolish slavery peacefully.
He spoke out against Northern Abolitionist aggression saying their actions
inflamed passions and would postpone emancipation by 50 years in 3 or 4
southern states.

"Although in Pennsylvania we are all opposed to slavery in the abstract, we can never violate the constitutional compact we have with our sister states.
Their rights will be held sacred by us. Under the constitution it is their own question and there let it remain." - James Buchanan
So of course 7 states seceded while he was president - lol - true

In office from March 4 1857 to March 4 1861
He fulfilled his promise of only seeking one term and in December the month after Lincoln was elected South Carolina seceded. Despite the efforts of he and former President John Tyler to reason with southern leaders to stop the secession and give Lincoln a chance, but by the end of January 6 more states had seceded.
Because they FEARED what Lincoln maybe might do. Lincoln took office in March and the south attacked Fort Sumter on April 11, 1961.
During the 1st year the civil war was sometimes called "Buchanan's War."

Buchanan thought restraint was the essence of good self government and wrongly predicted that history would vindicate him.

Morale of the story: when FEAR is the motivating factor it's impossible to talk sense into anyone.

Excellent info. The history we are filled with is the history that someone wants us to have.

Apply that last line, and the narrative we've been constrained to by the liberal media to the "pandemic" that's been whipped into a fever pitch as well.............