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Like anybody and anything you can find ”proof“ on the internet for whatever side of the story your looking for. Fact is none of us were around then and none of us are perfect. He fought for what he believed in and so many of us may someday or on a smaller scale have already been in his shoes. Whatever side we were fighting against thought they were right too.

The issue of slavery was complex and while it is never right to own another human there was a lot more to it than that. In that day and time they were their tractors basically. They weren’t fighting for the right to own another person they were fighting for their livelihood. If they told you tomorrow everything you use to make a living and feed your family was against the law would you stand up and fight. Also anybody who thinks that when they crossed the Mason Dixon line they were free and equal is very mistaken. They might have thought you shouldn’t own them but they sure were not treated as equal. A large portion of the south didn’t own them and sure weren’t fighting so the rich guys could. That’s like taking up arms so Jeff Bezos can keep Amazon and if they outlawed computers tomorrow don’t you think he and Gates wouldn’t lead the cries for war. There was a lot more to the war then that one factor and one view. A different time and circumstances than any of us can relate to based on thousand of years before that of mankinds existence we certainly are to far removed from to grasp. An ugly time in our past but one so very critical to remember.
 

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Why is MLK day more important than Washington and Lincoln's birthday? When I was in school we had those two days off of school. Then it turned to one day for the both of them and one for MLK. Now it's only MLK, but not our ex presidents? Hmmmmm...
 

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Why is MLK day more important than Washington and Lincoln's birthday? When I was in school we had those two days off of school. Then it turned to one day for the both of them and one for MLK. Now it's only MLK, but not our ex presidents? Hmmmmm...
It is about the Budget. Every Federal Holiday costs a ton of money due to lost productivity and services. Lincoln and Washington were combined in the 1960s at the same time they started celebrating most Federal Holidays on Mondays. MLK day became a holiday under Reagan in 1983.
 

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It is about the Budget. Every Federal Holiday costs a ton of money due to lost productivity and services. Lincoln and Washington were combined in the 1960s at the same time they started celebrating most Federal Holidays on Mondays. MLK day became a holiday under Reagan in 1983.
Just about the only gripe I had with the Gipper.
 

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Like anybody and anything you can find ”proof“ on the internet for whatever side of the story your looking for. Fact is none of us were around then and none of us are perfect. He fought for what he believed in and so many of us may someday or on a smaller scale have already been in his shoes. Whatever side we were fighting against thought they were right too.

The issue of slavery was complex and while it is never right to own another human there was a lot more to it than that. In that day and time they were their tractors basically. They weren’t fighting for the right to own another person they were fighting for their livelihood. If they told you tomorrow everything you use to make a living and feed your family was against the law would you stand up and fight. Also anybody who thinks that when they crossed the Mason Dixon line they were free and equal is very mistaken. They might have thought you shouldn’t own them but they sure were not treated as equal. A large portion of the south didn’t own them and sure weren’t fighting so the rich guys could. That’s like taking up arms so Jeff Bezos can keep Amazon and if they outlawed computers tomorrow don’t you think he and Gates wouldn’t lead the cries for war. There was a lot more to the war then that one factor and one view. A different time and circumstances than any of us can relate to based on thousand of years before that of mankinds existence we certainly are to far removed from to grasp. An ugly time in our past but one so very critical to remember.
You’re absolutely correct!
Eight thousand boys left east Texas and a little over eight hundred returned.
My great great grandfather left with First Texas Infantry can’t even imagine it.
Of them all Little Round Top had to have been the worse.


“The First Texas Infantry participated in a long and impressive list of military engagements, including thirty-two major battles. Their largest engagements included Seven Pines from May 31 to June 1, 1862; the Seven Days Battles from June 25 to July 1, 1862; Second Bull Run on August 28–30, 1862; Antietam on September 17, 1862; Fredericksburg on December 13, 1862; Gettysburg on July 1–3, 1863; Chickamauga on September 19–20, 1863; the siege of Chattanooga from September to November 1863; the Wilderness on May 5–6, 1864; Spotsylvania Court House from May 8 to 21, 1864; Cold Harbor on June 1–3, 1864; and the Petersburg siege from June 1864 to April 1865. The regiment surrendered along with the rest of the Army of Northern Virginia at Appomattox Court House on April 9, 1865.
Throughout the war the First Texas Infantry suffered heavy casualties. At the battle of Antietam the regiment lost 82 percent of its 226 troops engaged. More than 20 percent of its 426 troops were lost at the battle of Gettysburg. At the time of its surrender at Appomattox Court House the regiment had only 16 officers and 133 men. All of the men who surrendered at Appomattox Court House were paroled by the Union Army under Ulysses S. Grant and allowed to return home.”
 

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A heck of a good military tactition and strategist but a traitor to the United States of America.
Maybe, maybe not, the US Constitution doesn't really say if a state has to stay in the Union. Lee believed in not raising a hand against his home of Virginia, that doesn't seem to traitorous to me.
My ancestors were called traitors when raised arms against the Crown, but here we are living in a country they created after they rebelled.
 

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