Jeanne - Simme Valley
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Back in 1972 Charolais & Simmental were both getting popular. Simmies are from Switzerland - from the Simme Valley in Switzerland!
Jeanne - Simme Valley":32it9qmp said:Sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about. No, the offspring of those bulls cannot be registered as Simmentals unless the dam is a registered Simmental.
When you said you had offspring that had white bellies "all the way", I was referring to the fact that you could not register them in the AAA - but I thought you had registered Angus cows the way you talked. Who cares if the bulls throw white on non-registered cows - they could have anything in their background.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":3n91s41k said:Sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about. No, the offspring of those bulls cannot be registered as Simmentals unless the dam is a registered Simmental.
When you said you had offspring that had white bellies "all the way", I was referring to the fact that you could not register them in the AAA - but I thought you had registered Angus cows the way you talked. Who cares if the bulls throw white on non-registered cows - they could have anything in their background.
Yes, bred to a REGISTERED cow or bull - offspring can be registered as a percentage. If you want a registered offspring, why wouldn't a breed association take your money?????? Well, duh - they are all a "for profit" business.True Grit Farms":1k2duybw said:From what I gathered the ASA would register anything bred to a Simmental or Simmental cross bull. I've been to Bozeman and ate supper in the ASA new building, their in it for the money. But the same can sorta of be said about the AAA also money wise.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":112zrri7 said:elkwc - I totally understand being docked! That's why ALL my steers sell private treaty direct to a feedlot - sight unseen. That dock for color is just "because they can" - not because the cattle are inferior.
But, I was referring to the fact that an Angus bull bred to "black" cows, does not mean the white is coming from the bull, the COW might be the contributor.
But, I also understand the bull may also be a white carrier (more white than acceptable from an Angus). No one wants to admit that there MAY be some "diluted genes" in the gene pool!
VA Ctl - ASA will record a REGISTERED animal as a "foundation" animal. IE - you have a reg. Angus bull (or any registered breed) that you want to use in an upgrading/crossbreeding program with your registered Simmental cows - or - you have a reg. Angus (or any breed) cow and you want to breed to a reg. Simm. bull, so you can registered the offspring. This is so that the data is more accurate for the offspring.
It costs $25 to add a REGISTERED other breed animal into the data base - the last I knew.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":38xr24w4 said:Yes, bred to a REGISTERED cow or bull - offspring can be registered as a percentage. If you want a registered offspring, why wouldn't a breed association take your money?????? Well, duh - they are all a "for profit" business.True Grit Farms":38xr24w4 said:From what I gathered the ASA would register anything bred to a Simmental or Simmental cross bull. I've been to Bozeman and ate supper in the ASA new building, their in it for the money. But the same can sorta of be said about the AAA also money wise.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":3uncnali said:No, recording an animal will not give you a registration paper. You can get a printout report showing EPD's on your herd - in the Simmental breed - unaware of what you can get in Angus.
In order for this world to have "breeds" of any species, there will need to be registered seed stock producers. Without PB cattle, hybrid vigor would be lost.
It is important for "word of mouth" or a forum like this to recognize bulls that are producing a trait that is NOT normal for their breed. If one person (or a few persons) with commercial cows are having a problem, it doesn't really mean anything, but if multiple herds, including PB cows, then everyone should be made aware of the problem. Too much white on the bellie may not bother you, but if you had registered cattle, you would not be able to register the offspring in an Angus herd.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":2j868zqq said:So what is your point. Recording your herd has nothing to do with REGISTERING your cattle. Where are you going with this? I don't understand what you are trying to convey to us????
They are a not-for-profit organization. Our state associations are a not-for-profit associations also. I mis-quoted on that.