I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.Nesikep":6dzdc9v1 said:There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.
it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
Wonder how long it took them to convince the indians they needed wagons and horses so they could use their new wheel?? Or houses so they could put arches in them?? Or a chair so they could fall out of it. The indians needed none of these things.greybeard":2mk2qrk7 said:I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.Nesikep":2mk2qrk7 said:There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.
it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
Ask Cowgirl8 about her wet beaver. :shock: There's a pic somewhere.john250":ceuk3avv said:I'd ask Jogeepus about the blessings of "plenty beaver".
Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.TexasBred":1ri19d8k said:Wonder how long it took them to convince the indians they needed wagons and horses so they could use their new wheel?? Or houses so they could put arches in them?? Or a chair so they could fall out of it. The indians needed none of these things.greybeard":1ri19d8k said:I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.Nesikep":1ri19d8k said:There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.
it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
TexasBred":1eusufzk said:Wonder how long it took them to convince the indians they needed wagons and horses so they could use their new wheel?? Or houses so they could put arches in them?? Or a chair so they could fall out of it. The indians needed none of these things.greybeard":1eusufzk said:I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.Nesikep":1eusufzk said:There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.
it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.greybeard":16uf25lm said:Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
TexasBred":6qrbvw1h said:You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.greybeard":6qrbvw1h said:Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
And don't forget they had been dissimated by all the European diseases too.Caustic Burno":2yyu5px5 said:TexasBred":2yyu5px5 said:You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.greybeard":2yyu5px5 said:Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
Aztecs,Incas and Mayan's were the exception to the rule.
The majorities lifestyle still doomed them as a civilization.
Some of the Indian tribes were yanked from stone age man to nearly the beginning of the twentieth century in less
than a hundred years. Living as hunter gathers with the demise of the buffalo so went their commissary of food shelter and clothing. They didn't have time to adapt or invent what they needed. They were to busy fighting for survival against a system they couldn't even understand the rest of the world left in 3000 BC.
So, what happened to these "advanced civilizations and their kids' toys?TexasBred":1ahzq2x9 said:You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.greybeard":1ahzq2x9 said:Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
]The Maya constructed an elaborate system of elevated roads between major towns and cities using crushed limestone. The limestone is bright white, so they named this type of road a "sac be", meaning "white road", the plural being sacbeob.
Since the Maya didn't have horses or other pack animals, and also lacked wheeled vehicles, these roads were only used by pedestrians. The remarkable engineering feats of the Maya are even more amazing considering they didn't have metal tools, but achieved all that they did as a stone-age civilization.
greybeard":2mxgnbtc said:So, what happened to these "advanced civilizations and their kids' toys?TexasBred":2mxgnbtc said:You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.greybeard":2mxgnbtc said:Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
The first carts in the Old World were pulled by humans--it was a heck of a lot easier than dragging stuff along.
To say that terrain was an issue, neglects the fact that both Mayan and Inca civilizations had an extensive network of roadways, and of course, Native Americans, especially Plains Indians had plenty of access and made use of lots of flat land well before the first Spanish or Anglo ever hit the Eastern shore.
]The Maya constructed an elaborate system of elevated roads between major towns and cities using crushed limestone. The limestone is bright white, so they named this type of road a "sac be", meaning "white road", the plural being sacbeob.
Since the Maya didn't have horses or other pack animals, and also lacked wheeled vehicles, these roads were only used by pedestrians. The remarkable engineering feats of the Maya are even more amazing considering they didn't have metal tools, but achieved all that they did as a stone-age civilization.