blackcowz
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Alright, let me put this a little more bluntly. QUIT. This thread is headed south and is now beyond meaningful discussion and disagreement.
blackcowz":3tevv1e9 said:Alright, let me put this a little more bluntly. QUIT. This thread is headed south and is now beyond meaningful discussion and disagreement.
You opened this can of wormsblackcowz":r1u2eh24 said:Alright, let me put this a little more bluntly. QUIT. This thread is headed south and is now beyond meaningful discussion and disagreement.
You and I know the only reason they asked you to stop promoting black hides is because they were Jealous and it made them red hide breeders feel bad ;-) ;-)blackcowz":39u4b88n said:Well yes, I started it, and I can't control people. But you folks used to get annoyed when I would promote black hides. I was asked to stop. Now, I'm asking everyone in this thread to stop because we're borderline bashing other operations. You can disagree with others, but this thread was meant to get people's ideas and opinions, not to start an "I'm right, you're wrong" war.
blackcowz":e7budxjp said:After going through the fun process of selling my first bull, I got the full load of what it takes to get a bull ready for sale, especially if he crosses state lines. I learned a lot, but I sold my bull for a pretty low price because I wasn't sure if he was top notch. He's going to do great for his new owners, but I took care of my uneasiness of pricing bulls in the future by making sure I cut the ones that wouldn't make the cut for next year. (No pun intended.) However, in some reading material, I have learned that a bull is worth roughly the value of 5 cows. At our prices, a bull is worth around $3000, depending on bred or killer cows, which should get you a pretty nice bull. Even an average bull is worth something because a live calf that gets put on the truck is worth far more than one that never makes it into the world. So, when you go buy bulls, do you look for the one that costs the least and will get the job done, or do you figure he's worth more than just 5 cows and really pay attention to paying good money for a good bull? It seems people try to spend as little as possible on bulls, and yet will only look at ones that have a pretty good price tag. As a young seedstock breeder, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
Angus Cowman":aeimnbzw said:You and I know the only reason they asked you to stop promoting black hides is because they were Jealous and it made them red hide breeders feel bad ;-) ;-)blackcowz":aeimnbzw said:Well yes, I started it, and I can't control people. But you folks used to get annoyed when I would promote black hides. I was asked to stop. Now, I'm asking everyone in this thread to stop because we're borderline bashing other operations. You can disagree with others, but this thread was meant to get people's ideas and opinions, not to start an "I'm right, you're wrong" war.
greatgerts":8pg08jre said:HerefordSire":8pg08jre said:blackcowz":8pg08jre said:Alright folks, everyone knows where everyone else stands in terms of what to pay for bulls, what qualities they look for, etc. HS, could depend on how much better the 100K bull is. (here we go again) But, I think in 4 pages of posts, opinions have been sufficiently explained. Now shut 'er down before we start knocking other operations or other people. Thanks again for all the great insight.
Wrong. The higher priced bull is always better. Remember that next time you sell a bull.
Are you serious? How can you keep saying that the higher dollar bull is ALWAYS better? I have seen decent bulls sell for more than what they are worth, or the bull had some pretty fantastic numbers behind him and some really good bulls not sell very high because of the MARKET that day.
cfpinz has some $100k vehicles he'll sell you. You'll just have to figure out how to move themHerefordSire":1m65ud28 said:No! It is a marketing technique because the first thing that enters a positive person's mind is the higher priced product is better. A negative person will always think about getting ripped off.
dun":uy8llqh3 said:cfpinz has some $100k vehicles he'll sell you. You'll just have to figure out how to move themHerefordSire":uy8llqh3 said:No! It is a marketing technique because the first thing that enters a positive person's mind is the higher priced product is better. A negative person will always think about getting ripped off.
HerefordSire":18i8z2om said:No! It is a marketing technique because the first thing that enters a positive person's mind is the higher priced product is better. A negative person will always think about getting ripped off.
Brandonm22":37hx3tb3 said:HerefordSire":37hx3tb3 said:No! It is a marketing technique because the first thing that enters a positive person's mind is the higher priced product is better. A negative person will always think about getting ripped off.
IF you have two REALLY REALLY good bulls you put in a sale, but you (their breeder) like bull A's pedigree, profile, mama, masculinity, etc better than bull B. There is no fault with B, he is just not quite as good in your mind as A, and then they both sell at auction and A brings $2500 and B brings $25,000.....doesn't Bull B become the bull whose picture gets put on your wall??? Nothing against bull A. He went off and bred 20 commercial cows for 3 years and was good at it, but B has his picture in the semen catalog for the next 15 years. Price matters.
wrong, yet again.Cattleman200":29rlpgiu said:If every seedstock producer used this mentality they would all be out of business because with their closed herd no one would be buying ANYTHING.
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Brandonm22":24hszl9h said:An Aero bred bull sired by an Aero bred bull and out of an Aero bred cow MIGHT be marketable.....and it might not.
EAT BEEF":1m8ejakp said:Are you saying you don't sell any cattle to commercial guys :?: I was thinking that was the point of breeding seedstock. :???:
blackcowz":2rki6t4l said:Alright, let me put this a little more bluntly. QUIT. This thread is headed south and is now beyond meaningful discussion and disagreement.
Cattleman200":1g6at0i1 said:Im curious to know how many of these bulls you are selling at present time? Do you have any cattle at all now?
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blackcowz":1y7j9zn4 said:After going through the fun process of selling my first bull, I got the full load of what it takes to get a bull ready for sale, especially if he crosses state lines. I learned a lot, but I sold my bull for a pretty low price because I wasn't sure if he was top notch. He's going to do great for his new owners, but I took care of my uneasiness of pricing bulls in the future by making sure I cut the ones that wouldn't make the cut for next year. (No pun intended.) However, in some reading material, I have learned that a bull is worth roughly the value of 5 cows. At our prices, a bull is worth around $3000, depending on bred or killer cows, which should get you a pretty nice bull. Even an average bull is worth something because a live calf that gets put on the truck is worth far more than one that never makes it into the world. So, when you go buy bulls, do you look for the one that costs the least and will get the job done, or do you figure he's worth more than just 5 cows and really pay attention to paying good money for a good bull? It seems people try to spend as little as possible on bulls, and yet will only look at ones that have a pretty good price tag. As a young seedstock breeder, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
ColemanCreekCattle":303nbwt8 said:As a small seedstock producer, the only way you can compete with the big producers is to use AI, exclusively. You will not ever compete with any seedstock producer (large or small) using subpar natural service sires.
1 three yr old bull can serve 30 cows say you spend $3000 on that bull + feed and care for a year
AI 30 cows for Semen $20; Cidr $10; AI tech $20 per cow and even if you have to breed them 2 times to catch that cost = $3000, but you will be having calves from the best bulls anywhere vs the natural herdsire you found.
blackcowz":303nbwt8 said:After going through the fun process of selling my first bull, I got the full load of what it takes to get a bull ready for sale, especially if he crosses state lines. I learned a lot, but I sold my bull for a pretty low price because I wasn't sure if he was top notch. He's going to do great for his new owners, but I took care of my uneasiness of pricing bulls in the future by making sure I cut the ones that wouldn't make the cut for next year. (No pun intended.) However, in some reading material, I have learned that a bull is worth roughly the value of 5 cows. At our prices, a bull is worth around $3000, depending on bred or killer cows, which should get you a pretty nice bull. Even an average bull is worth something because a live calf that gets put on the truck is worth far more than one that never makes it into the world. So, when you go buy bulls, do you look for the one that costs the least and will get the job done, or do you figure he's worth more than just 5 cows and really pay attention to paying good money for a good bull? It seems people try to spend as little as possible on bulls, and yet will only look at ones that have a pretty good price tag. As a young seedstock breeder, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.