J Baxter
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Around here a white face gets rewarded and a white slash gets dicounted heavily. I'd go with the herford.
JB
JB
dun":2t11zim0 said:We were pretty pleased. There was a writer for one ofthe national marketing rags that atteneded. He'ld seen the cattle in the morning and said he hadn't seen any cattle sell for anymore then ours did even at the prevac sales.
dun
Read board for several months.... and now ready to input...mwj":3i6f0oxi said:One rule I have found to hold true over 40 years of buying and selling, is good quality brings good money no matter what the color. :cboy:
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Mike
riquezada":3j4lc5ba said:Read board for several months.... and now ready to input...mwj":3j4lc5ba said:One rule I have found to hold true over 40 years of buying and selling, is good quality brings good money no matter what the color. :cboy:
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Mike
You couldn't have said it better. Everybody here in KY worries about breed selections. I have mixed cattle, mostly Hereford cows bred to Charolais, few black bred to same, the CharMixes bred to same. Good cattle around here do bring top dollar regardless of color.
Thanks...like the pic...herefords are about my favorite due to thier great dispositiongreenwillowherefords":u4a1l0dz said:riquezada":u4a1l0dz said:Read board for several months.... and now ready to input...mwj":u4a1l0dz said:One rule I have found to hold true over 40 years of buying and selling, is good quality brings good money no matter what the color. :cboy:
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Mike
You couldn't have said it better. Everybody here in KY worries about breed selections. I have mixed cattle, mostly Hereford cows bred to Charolais, few black bred to same, the CharMixes bred to same. Good cattle around here do bring top dollar regardless of color.
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Jeanne - Simme Valley said:OK, I'm going to stick my foot in my mouth - BUT - I find it hard to believe that the "modern" solid red or solid black simmental would be discounted anywhere.quote]
"modern" solid red or black Simmentals, Jeanne? Now are those the ones produced by breeding Holstein into the breed? Or the ones with Angus? You ignored my question before; I'd really like to see your comment....
I would say not Frankie. I would say the ones with Holstein in them would have white udders and mule foot.Frankie":2hrtxhuz said:Jeanne - Simme Valley":2hrtxhuz said:OK, I'm going to stick my foot in my mouth - BUT - I find it hard to believe that the "modern" solid red or solid black simmental would be discounted anywhere.quote]
"modern" solid red or black Simmentals, Jeanne? Now are those the ones produced by breeding Holstein into the breed? Or the ones with Angus? You ignored my question before; I'd really like to see your comment....
"modern" solid red or black Simmentals, Jeanne? Now are those the ones produced by breeding Holstein into the breed? Or the ones with Angus? You ignored my question before; I'd really like to see your comment....
Actually, what you said on the CAB poll thread that you posted wasJeanne - Simme Valley":c75oqnmh said:"modern" solid red or black Simmentals, Jeanne? Now are those the ones produced by breeding Holstein into the breed? Or the ones with Angus? You ignored my question before; I'd really like to see your comment....
Frankie,
Hmm, I DID answer that question on one of the other threads - but I sure couldn't find it. Anyway, all I was trying to point out, was that "back in the late 60's & early 70's" many producers getting into the Simmental breed contracted Holstein dairies. They supplied the semen & got all the heifers at a preset price. They were the start of the black Simmentals because MOST beef farms (Angus) did not do any AI back than. And, yes, they came out tall & leggy & spotted. Just what they wanted back then. Angus has been the largest influence in our breed color through the years. Mostly because, Angus Simmental crosses are the best crosses possible. Now that should get people talking!
Frankie,
Hmm, I DID answer that question on one of the other threads - but I sure couldn't find it. Anyway, all I was trying to point out, was that "back in the late 60's & early 70's" many producers getting into the Simmental breed contracted Holstein dairies. They supplied the semen & got all the heifers at a preset price. They were the start of the black Simmentals because MOST beef farms (Angus) did not do any AI back than. And, yes, they came out tall & leggy & spotted. Just what they wanted back then. Angus has been the largest influence in our breed color through the years. Mostly because, Angus Simmental crosses are the best crosses possible. Now that should get people talking!
Our Macho bull's great, great maternal grandmother is 1/4 Angus. I didn't go back far enough to find anything in the sire side - but surely it goes back to Angus somewhere.
The latest US MARC research (Report #22) states that Simmental rank #1 in most economic traits among Continental breeds - and that Angus rank #1 in most economic traits among British breeds.
Therefore it is common sense to breed the #1 British with the #1 Continental breed.
I will list the rankings - the first placing is the Simmental , the 2nd is Angus:
Calving Ease First (tie) First
Weaning First First
%Choice First Second
Carcass Wt First First
Post Wean Gain First First
Pounds's of retail prod. Second First
Shear Force First (tie) First
Feed Efficiency by Wt Gain First Second
Feed Efficiency by Marbling First First
Feed Eff by Retail Products First Second
Feed Efficiency by Days Second Second
% Puberty First Second
% Pregnancy Second Third
Maternal Calving Ease First Second
Maternal Wean Weights Second First
Hope that made sense - didn't come out in columns like I had typed.
Now, this is info taken from an ASA report - data from MARC Report #22. I am trying to find out the other breeds involved & which was over these two breeds in the few catagories. I went to the MARC web site but didn't get anywhere. I'll call ASA today & see if I can get answers.
BUT, pretty impressive for the cross - don't you think? I have ALWAYS thought the two breeds complimented each other better than any other.
I'm not sure I understand, Jeanne. What "cross" are you talking about? I thought the ratings were for British and Continental breeds, not crosses of the breeds?
Jeanne - Simme Valley":8280yd8h said:Frankie wrote:
I'm not sure I understand, Jeanne. What "cross" are you talking about? I thought the ratings were for British and Continental breeds, not crosses of the breeds?
I meant it makes sense (to me) to use the top continental breed with the top british breed. They compliment each other very well. Always have, always will IMO
Actually it was just a good excuse to print those facts :shock: