Viruses....

[bball]

I see where Dr. Fauci stated today that between 100k to 200k Americans could die before the coronavirus crisis is over. That's up from the initial 80k estimate. He doesn't strike me as the overreact or exaggerate type.

 

[greybeard]

Who on CT has had a test or tested positive ?

I have not but my wife (age 54) has had it--came back neg but they insisted the results were known before she would be discharged from hospital Mar 11, as she already had bronchitis with it's usual symptoms, but I had to call paramedics on Mar 7 as she was disoriented, was really acting strange and had symptoms of a stroke. Scared the crap out of me, but she thought there was nothing wrong. Didn't know what year it was, how old she was, who the president was...She had become dehydrated and kidneys had gone into shut down and the toxins built up and that has pretty severe neurological effects. After tons of tests, she's fine now.

My brother-in-law (mid 70s) has had the test last week. He lives about 5 miles from me. He went into emer room early last week for respiratory problems and a cough, but he has had those kind of respiratory problems for a couple decades, along with congestive heart disease. Test came back neg but he's still in the hospital and on 02. Beginning to wonder if he will ever walk out of there....

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Who on CT has had a test or tested positive ?

I have not but my wife (age 54) has had it--came back neg but they insisted the results were known before she would be discharged from hospital Mar 11, as she already had bronchitis with it's usual symptoms, but I had to call paramedics on Mar 7 as she was disoriented, was really acting strange and had symptoms of a stroke. Scared the crap out of me, but she thought there was nothing wrong. Didn't know what year it was, how old she was, who the president was...She had become dehydrated and kidneys had gone into shut down and the toxins built up and that has pretty severe neurological effects. After tons of tests, she's fine now.

My brother-in-law (mid 70s) has had the test last week. He lives about 5 miles from me. He went into emer room early last week for respiratory problems and a cough, but he has had those kind of respiratory problems for a couple decades, along with congestive heart disease. Test came back neg but he's still in the hospital and on 02. Beginning to wonder if he will ever walk out of there....

Sorry to hear about your wife, hopefully that's a one time event albeit a scary one.

 

[greggy]

Here in Western Australia they only test cruise ship people, people who have been overseas and anyone close to those people. They didnt have the resources to test more. But they fully expected to see people start presenting at clinics with breathing difficulties as the virus takes hold. Fortunately that hasn't been the case and we seem to be ahead of the curve. Still rising but mostly people who picked it up from overseas. Very few community spread. I believe they are now expanding testing into communities.

That is exactly how the testing was on this side of the country, but they moved to allowing those with symtoms without having been OS to get tested, so is prob why there was a jump...

But...

There will be a lot who have but no symtoms, and, how accurate is the test we were using comes to my mind.

 

[greggy]

3 cases reported in my County, 28 reported in county other side of my road (but that is Ithaca with two colleges) and 8 reported in County next to us. NYC on the other hand is bad. Problem is, the NYC people own summer homes upstate and they are invading our areas. You should see the campers moving on the highways!
My daughter lives in Vermont. Very low number of residents, but high number of winter homes for skiing. Same thing - stores are over run with city folks trying to get away from it. How much are they transporting!!!??

That is exactly what some of them will be doing unless they are being very self disciplined.

I cannot remember the date, but our fed been telling us all not to travel, in March it became law, our states have closed borders and there is some checking, people now must be at home unless working or going out for essentials, no gatherings of more than 2 now apart from some select events.

This is all a first in my lifetime.

Trust is not high in govts here, but is high enough to see they are trying to stop a problem for the hospitals, but it creates a financial problem.

We all will not know what was best till it all comes out in the wash in 6 to 12 months it seems.

 

[greggy]

I see where Dr. Fauci stated today that between 100k to 200k Americans could die before the coronavirus crisis is over. That's up from the initial 80k estimate. He doesn't strike me as the overreact or exaggerate type.

Read about his interview. I see a bunch of medical people cringe in the early days as pres was speaking, it must be painful for them back then.

Will he be the next to be fired from a canon if he talks too much

I understand the pres, he is worried about the economy, much like our current gov traditionally, but they have turned to a full on socialist mode and handing out money and concessions everywhere.

They are now excusing renters of commercial and residential property of paying rent AND they cannot be evicted by landlords......sheesh, am yet to see the detail, but hope there are protections in there.

Getting back to the medical, this article may interest some of you.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-pathogen-has-been-spreading-in-humans-for-decades-study-finds/news-story/fbbd50249918cfa773546b3b84e1763b

 

[Caustic Burno]

I see where Dr. Fauci stated today that between 100k to 200k Americans could die before the coronavirus crisis is over. That's up from the initial 80k estimate. He doesn't strike me as the overreact or exaggerate type.

Read about his interview. I see a bunch of medical people cringe in the early days as pres was speaking, it must be painful for them back then.

Will he be the next to be fired from a canon if he talks too much

I understand the pres, he is worried about the economy, much like our current gov traditionally, but they have turned to a full on socialist mode and handing out money and concessions everywhere.

They are now excusing renters of commercial and residential property of paying rent AND they cannot be evicted by landlords......sheesh, am yet to see the detail, but hope there are protections in there.

Getting back to the medical, this article may interest some of you.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-pathogen-has-been-spreading-in-humans-for-decades-study-finds/news-story/fbbd50249918cfa773546b3b84e1763b

Out of curiosity why is your nose bent out of shape about USA policies towards anything much less renters?

 

[greggy]

Nothing to do USA.

Forums are never a perfect way to express things, you will have to forgive me if it was not obvious that I was talking about our fed and state govt. policies.

Are they doing that there in the states as well ?

 

[Caustic Burno]

There are saying no evictions on some media outlets. I haven't really paid much attention to which states or cities.

 

[greggy]

I see where Dr. Fauci stated today that between 100k to 200k Americans could die before the coronavirus crisis is over. That's up from the initial 80k estimate. He doesn't strike me as the overreact or exaggerate type.

Read about his interview. I see a bunch of medical people cringe in the early days as pres was speaking, it must be painful for them back then.

Will he be the next to be fired from a canon if he talks too much

I understand the pres, he is worried about the economy, much like our current gov traditionally, but they have turned to a full on socialist mode and handing out money and concessions everywhere.

They are now excusing renters of commercial and residential property of paying rent AND they cannot be evicted by landlords......sheesh, am yet to see the detail, but hope there are protections in there.

Getting back to the medical, this article may interest some of you.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-pathogen-has-been-spreading-in-humans-for-decades-study-finds/news-story/fbbd50249918cfa773546b3b84e1763b

Out of curiosity why is your nose bent out of shape about USA policies towards anything much less renters?

PS the thing that has me looking at all this in regard to policies here, is, we had a recession quite some time back, at the time I had small business loans etc and a mortgage that went over 17%.

Back then, the govt was a socialist leaning govt, and the order of the day was, you have no money to pay for your home or business, too bad, so sad, get out.....and that is what happened to a lot of people and some held on by the skin of their teeth only.

Fast forward to now, the govt is more of a small gov and supposedly less interfering, more in line with small business and business in general and people doing for themselves, we had no huge financial problem, yet, here we are, handouts left right and center, businesses and landlords being asked to wear burdens....etc etc, the health cost is one thing, financial will be crippling & the govt that is in always crowed how economy never tanked under them, well 4 decades of that crowing will have to now come to a stop.

Oh how things have changed.....

I can see a lot of potential for abuse too, and it has started it seems, by some just saying they wont be paying commercial rent anymore before the policy detail is even fully announced....lol....

 

[greggy]

Who on CT has had a test or tested positive ?

I have not but my wife (age 54) has had it--came back neg but they insisted the results were known before she would be discharged from hospital Mar 11, as she already had bronchitis with it's usual symptoms, but I had to call paramedics on Mar 7 as she was disoriented, was really acting strange and had symptoms of a stroke. Scared the crap out of me, but she thought there was nothing wrong. Didn't know what year it was, how old she was, who the president was...She had become dehydrated and kidneys had gone into shut down and the toxins built up and that has pretty severe neurological effects. After tons of tests, she's fine now.

My brother-in-law (mid 70s) has had the test last week. He lives about 5 miles from me. He went into emer room early last week for respiratory problems and a cough, but he has had those kind of respiratory problems for a couple decades, along with congestive heart disease. Test came back neg but he's still in the hospital and on 02. Beginning to wonder if he will ever walk out of there....

That is all a worry. Hope they both are ok.

I have a family member who needs care so has contact with a lot of random young people, it is a concern, but they are not worried at all.

Read this, and, I would question the tests accuracy anyway and take steps to lower risk as much as practical.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-pathogen-has-been-spreading-in-humans-for-decades-study-finds/news-story/fbbd50249918cfa773546b3b84e1763b

I am the one in my house that goes out into the world now, and when somone brings something over etc, we all keep our distance, I make sure I wash hands etc....

 

[greybeard]

Interesting read Greggy.
So they are suggesting it didn't recently become zoonotic but rather, it just 'recently' (a relative term) became capable of direct and indirect human to human transmission...
Probably a LOT we don't know about it...and probably a lot we never will know.
All things considered and given a choice, I would prefer us to be a lot more familiar about it than it, be a lot more familiar with us.

Odd how a bit of RNA and a few proteins wrapped in a different protein and the whole particle isn't even alive but it can make our own bodies kill us.

 

[greggy]

It wont kill us if we help medicos stay orderly and not overrun, I hope US does not get there.

Some of the best aspects of the US may also be the most testing at this time, there are a lot here not doing the simple right thing, but there may be a lot there in de nile......which risks the systems.

The worst part for us and US, is it could knock off many older people, t

exactly the ones often with the most decent outlook and values, which many young may need to learn from.

Just imagine, a war, like 1 or 2 WW, the ones only a few decades old need to re learn some discipline and respect for fellow countrymen IMO. Unfortunately, media blasted everyone saying the young have no real issue to worry about as they will live. They often did not give a rats anyway, no need to blast out they are off the hook...lol

My families risked life and lived with many scars from a young age to save parents, the older, country and King, how things change over a few generations.

Stay well, I am in the middle, but hope older people come out on top by drawing on older or past discipline....

 

[greggy]

Oh, and if your real hard core bad rear end, and there is still intl flights where you are to China, you may start foaming at the mouth to learn Wuhan is reported to again have wet markets open ....... if true, how fantastic......

Can somone pressure the gov there to send in a hit squad please....is decades over due ....again...just IMHO

 

[hurleyjd]

Interesting read Greggy.
So they are suggesting it didn't recently become zoonotic but rather, it just 'recently' (a relative term) became capable of direct and indirect human to human transmission...
Probably a LOT we don't know about it...and probably a lot we never will know.
All things considered and given a choice, I would prefer us to be a lot more familiar about it than it, be a lot more familiar with us.

Odd how a bit of RNA and a few proteins wrapped in a different protein and the whole particle isn't even alive but it can make our own bodies kill us.

Here is some thoughts to ponder. In 1918 the Spanish flu hit and there was no modern medicine as we have now. How and why did it finally subside. Was it because it finally run out of victims that did not have an immune system to fight it off. Will the corona virus finally subside when it finally runs out of victims that does not have an immune system to fight it off. They are trying blood plasma from victims that survived in treating victims with the virus,in hopes of creating antibodies in the person with the virus. Still experimental. The french doctor or who ever he is is still promoting the anti malaria medicine as a cure.

 

[greggy]

Yeah, but were not one century back, no one will accept a life that gets to 40 or maybe 50 for the masses.....so letting it run it's course is not gonna happen....

I would be ok with a virus that kills off the extreme selfish or those obsessed with everything being a conspiracy, most of them usually add little too mankind.....

 

[greggy]

Also, there was not the intracate nor intertwined financial or global systems relying on many people working.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Interesting read Greggy.
So they are suggesting it didn't recently become zoonotic but rather, it just 'recently' (a relative term) became capable of direct and indirect human to human transmission...
Probably a LOT we don't know about it...and probably a lot we never will know.
All things considered and given a choice, I would prefer us to be a lot more familiar about it than it, be a lot more familiar with us.

Odd how a bit of RNA and a few proteins wrapped in a different protein and the whole particle isn't even alive but it can make our own bodies kill us.

Here is some thoughts to ponder. In 1918 the Spanish flu hit and there was no modern medicine as we have now. How and why did it finally subside. Was it because it finally run out of victims that did not have an immune system to fight it off. Will the corona virus finally subside when it finally runs out of victims that does not have an immune system to fight it off. They are trying blood plasma from victims that survived in treating victims with the virus,in hopes of creating antibodies in the person with the virus. Still experimental. The french doctor or who ever he is is still promoting the anti malaria medicine as a cure.

My grandpa and two great aunts died from it, dad got it he was five years old as well as a couple of older uncles. It came in two waves as well with the second being the deadliest. It mutated on the second wave. He told me it was especially bad news for the adults and if caught, they went to building your casket. This is one of the reasons I don't place much stock in social distancing. Couldn't get more distance than rural east Texas farming at that time. The government did issue quarantine measures similar to today's, didn't work. The virus had to run it's course.
Herd immunity was the eventual cure.
Globalization of WWI caused the rapid spread and dispersal around the world.
Not much different today with global travel every where.

 

[Redgully]

Interesting read Greggy.
So they are suggesting it didn't recently become zoonotic but rather, it just 'recently' (a relative term) became capable of direct and indirect human to human transmission...
Probably a LOT we don't know about it...and probably a lot we never will know.
All things considered and given a choice, I would prefer us to be a lot more familiar about it than it, be a lot more familiar with us.

Odd how a bit of RNA and a few proteins wrapped in a different protein and the whole particle isn't even alive but it can make our own bodies kill us.

Here is some thoughts to ponder. In 1918 the Spanish flu hit and there was no modern medicine as we have now. How and why did it finally subside. Was it because it finally run out of victims that did not have an immune system to fight it off. Will the corona virus finally subside when it finally runs out of victims that does not have an immune system to fight it off. They are trying blood plasma from victims that survived in treating victims with the virus,in hopes of creating antibodies in the person with the virus. Still experimental. The french doctor or who ever he is is still promoting the anti malaria medicine as a cure.

My grandpa and two great aunts died from it, dad got it he was five years old as well as a couple of older uncles. It came in two waves as well with the second being the deadliest. It mutated on the second wave. He told me it was especially bad news for the adults and if caught, they went to building your casket. This is one of the reasons I don't place much stock in social distancing. Couldn't get more distance than rural east Texas farming at that time. The government did issue quarantine measures similar to today's, didn't work. The virus had to run it's course.
Herd immunity was the eventual cure.
Globalization of WWI caused the rapid spread and dispersal around the world.
Not much different today with global travel every where.

Or a vaccine.....

 

[Caustic Burno]

There is no vaccine for the flu then or now as it would be eradicated like other virus such as poliovirus and smallpox. You get a flu shot hopefully that works. The Spanish influenza was H1N1 strain as it is today and continues to mutate. Your odds of it working are about as good on a Vegas crap table. It does comfort the masses. Last data I read it's only like 40% effective.