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@kenny thomas, stay on top of this. What you are describing is more of a problem where you are in Ohio. However, I have seen producers starve their cattle with full rumens in Ohio, so it's not unheard of even in the east. If the added protein doesn't/didn't work, start a regiment of bale grazing combined with strip grazing, if at all possible. Not that you want to buy and feed hay. By this I mean get some higher nutrition hay bales, pre-place it in the stockpiled fields, and strip graze with the bales 'mixed in'. The better nutritional quality of the bales should raise the plane of nutrition for the animals to the point they won't be hungry or starve. Watch the Body Condition Score of the livestock closely this winter.
I definitely don't understand what you are getting at. Supplement 13.4% protein stockpile fescue with 10.2% hay to up the nutrition? Somehow that doesnt work in my mind.
And anyone just sitting a roll of hay out in my fields will be ask to watch as i unroll it.
My cows are body condition 6 and 7 so where is the issue.
I posted this as an educational opportunity but guess i need educated. When dry cows need an 8% protein product and they have unlimited access to 13.4% grazing why would i need to watch my cows. I need educated.
 
Kenny, only a matter of interest but does this lab not give molybdenum and copper levels there?
Maybe they aren't an issue in your area.
 
As someone stated they will eat a fence post of given 28% protein. But is it cost worthy? No way to know other than to test what we already have.

Pretty sure my eyes can tell whether they're happy or not, ol buddy.

Went from not eating it and lookin like ****, to eating it again and looking full. $200 is worth it to me for 3 tubs when hay is 50 a roll. Seriously, they were not eating much of MY stockpile. They'd grazed the tops and went to staring at the neighbors broomsage. 😃

I'm trying to get em bred right now and theyre very wet.
 
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Pretty sure my eyes can tell whether they're happy or not, ol buddy.

Went from not eating it and lookin like ****, to eating it again and looking full. $200 is worth it to me for 3 tubs when hay is 50 a roll. Seriously, they were not eating much of MY stockpile. They'd grazed the tops and went to staring at the neighbors broomsage. 😃

I'm trying to get em bred right now and theyre very wet.
The high fiber is an issue i suspect. And the tubs is making them eat and stay full. Maybe next year will be more rain and they will be happy.
 
I definitely don't understand what you are getting at. Supplement 13.4% protein stockpile fescue with 10.2% hay to up the nutrition? Somehow that doesnt work in my mind.
And anyone just sitting a roll of hay out in my fields will be ask to watch as i unroll it.
My cows are body condition 6 and 7 so where is the issue.
I posted this as an educational opportunity but guess i need educated. When dry cows need an 8% protein product and they have unlimited access to 13.4% grazing why would i need to watch my cows. I need educated.
I'm not sure why I was thinking Wyoming as being where you are, but protein levels are typically a lot lower there, which is why I suspected an issue. You had said your protein levels were above 12 (don't recall the exact amount) which didn't make sense for Wyoming (Ok, you aren't in Wyoming, so that makes more sense now). You had also said you didn't have a test for the current stockpile but "it looked worse" to paraphrase what I recall you as indicating. Short of testing the current stockpile, which it seems you have done, my thought was to supplement with better quality hay and protein blocks to a level that would maintain the condition of the animals rather than condition dropping which seemed a probability with my incorrect understanding that the protein levels were low. Tall fescue that is stockpiled rarely has protein levels that are below maintenance levels even as late as late February to Early March in the Eastern US, which is where you are (KY).

As for my comment about seeing cows that have starved with a full rumen in Ohio. That has and does occur because of forage that is inadequate being fed all winter. Maybe you have heard the phrase "Well, it's better than snowballs". I have been told that by producers that have nearly starved their cows to death on this forage (different producer did starve his cows to death doing this).

Unrolling hay is a great thing to do. There is evidence to suggest that placing bales in fields and not feeding more than one bale per location is sufficient to avoid long term negative effects. Feeding this way does often result in a bare spot where the bale was the following season, but is usually gone by the 2nd season. What needs to be avoided is repetitive feeding in the same location year after rear, which I also see. This leads to permanent consequences with soil nutrient loading that can be quite prominent even after 50 years. I wish everyone unrolled hay. I'm happy if they just don't feed multiple bales in the same place for years on end.
 
I'm not sure why I was thinking Wyoming as being where you are, but protein levels are typically a lot lower there, which is why I suspected an issue. You had said your protein levels were above 12 (don't recall the exact amount) which didn't make sense for Wyoming (Ok, you aren't in Wyoming, so that makes more sense now). You had also said you didn't have a test for the current stockpile but "it looked worse" to paraphrase what I recall you as indicating. Short of testing the current stockpile, which it seems you have done, my thought was to supplement with better quality hay and protein blocks to a level that would maintain the condition of the animals rather than condition dropping which seemed a probability with my incorrect understanding that the protein levels were low. Tall fescue that is stockpiled rarely has protein levels that are below maintenance levels even as late as late February to Early March in the Eastern US, which is where you are (KY).

As for my comment about seeing cows that have starved with a full rumen in Ohio. That has and does occur because of forage that is inadequate being fed all winter. Maybe you have heard the phrase "Well, it's better than snowballs". I have been told that by producers that have nearly starved their cows to death on this forage (different producer did starve his cows to death doing this).

Unrolling hay is a great thing to do. There is evidence to suggest that placing bales in fields and not feeding more than one bale per location is sufficient to avoid long term negative effects. Feeding this way does often result in a bare spot where the bale was the following season, but is usually gone by the 2nd season. What needs to be avoided is repetitive feeding in the same location year after rear, which I also see. This leads to permanent consequences with soil nutrient loading that can be quite prominent even after 50 years. I wish everyone unrolled hay. I'm happy if they just don't feed multiple bales in the same place for years on end.
I am in Southwest Virginia.
Notice the forage test was taken Tuesday of this week by my ag extension agent so it would be an unbiased test. Got results back on Friday.
I think if you read back over the years and search fescue and my name I'm pretty darn thorough about testing and utilizing fescue stockpile.
 
I am in Southwest Virginia.
Notice the forage test was taken tuesday of this week by my ag extension agent so it would be an unbiased test. Got results back on Friday.
I think if you read back over the years and search fescue and my name I'm pretty darn thorough about testing and utilizing fescue stockpile.
I have no doubt that you are. When I reply to comments on the forum, specifically to an individual posting, I will include information that I suspect that the individuals who posted the comment knows, but others who may be reading the comments may not. I do not mean to seem like I am talking down to the poster, but I can see how it can be interpreted that way. Be assured, that is not my intent. My intent is to provide information to everyone who is reading the comments with the hope everyone understands, although many already know.

Virginia is a long way from Wyoming and conditions are quite different and require a different response. I made an error thinking you were from Wyoming, which made my response not make any sense if those reading my response were familiar with stockpiled forage in Virginia. My response was better suited to stockpile in Wyoming.

My apologies.
 
If you are a forage specialist and this has been 5 pages of discussion about stockpile fescue you should have considered by now that Ky 31 Fescue does not grow in Wyoming so it couldn't be stockpiled there. My tests from the past are there as well as this weeks tests.
Here is one i didnt post before, from 11/20/2014. Analyze it and give your opinion. Screenshot_20240106_212301_OneDrive.jpg
 
Looking back through the posts, I had replied to the thread previously. What I did in response to your post on the 28 was respond to "We seem to have a problem with the stockpile" and I didn't look back at the prior posts. Had I done that, I wouldn't have put you in Wyoming and I would have seen it was tall fescue, which doesn't grow in Wyoming. Best I can say is my mind was elsewhere.

As for looking at the forage analysis for your fescue in 2014, I'm impressed. 21% protein is great for that time of year. You mentioned you stockpile every year and test it as well. I think, if I recall correctly, and it might have been someone else, we had a discussion about protein content in stockpiled fescue some time back discussing how well it kept throughout the winter with only a 1-2% decrease per month starting in about November leaving the Tall fescue with more than adequate protein levels through February (above 8%) with protein supplement only needed when levels dropped below this. I don't recall for certain if we were discussing fescue specifically or protein supplementation with me likely stating something to the effect protein supplementation was rarely needed east of the Mississippi except for maybe on occasion in the south east.
 
If you are a forage specialist and this has been 5 pages of discussion about stockpile fescue you should have considered by now that Ky 31 Fescue does not grow in Wyoming so it couldn't be stockpiled there. My tests from the past are there as well as this weeks tests.
Here is one i didnt post before, from 11/20/2014. Analyze it and give your opinion. View attachment 39199
Just figured out where Wyoming came from. I was looking at @GoWyo response to your stockpile comment. I basically screwed up. GoWyo is from Wyoming (which I applied to your post in error) and I was interpreting it as stockpiled grass in Wyoming which I would have caught was an error if I saw tall fescue mentioned as the stockpile. That didn't need to be said in your comment as you said it repeatedly in the thread prior to that (and I had saw it previously) But because it wasn't there and I didn't look back (I should have) I didn't link the obvious that the stockpile was tall fescue with what you were saying.
 
Just figured out where Wyoming came from. I was looking at @GoWyo response to your stockpile comment. I basically screwed up. GoWyo is from Wyoming (which I applied to your post in error) and I was interpreting it as stockpiled grass in Wyoming which I would have caught was an error if I saw tall fescue mentioned as the stockpile. That didn't need to be said in your comment as you said it repeatedly in the thread prior to that (and I had saw it previously) But because it wasn't there and I didn't look back (I should have) I didn't link the obvious that the stockpile was tall fescue with what you were saying.
Your thoughts on my tests from 2014?
 
Study on the 21% and tomorrow i will give you the secret.
The 21% was a hayfield that after the second cutting in August i had drilled winter wheat into it. Fescue and wheat made some good forage for 4wts. I gave them very small strips and put some hay outside the area for them to fill up on. Made for some extra hay in the first cutting the following season.
 
The 21% was a hayfield that after the second cutting in August i had drilled winter wheat into it. Fescue and wheat made some good forage for 4wts. I gave them very small strips and put some hay outside the area for them to fill up on. Made for some extra hay in the first cutting the following season.
Did you drill it right after getting the hay done? I'd like to try that if moisture will allow.

Ever done it with warm season stuff into existing stand?
 

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