Caustic Burno":s31byaap said:
No Frankie I actually am starting to pity you so much potential that is blinded by one breed.
Wow! Is that a back handed compliment? I'm not the one who shoves my breed on everyone. Even if I did, I don't see you beating up Springer for recommendng Murray Greys. Why not? Will they work in every environment?
See here again Navasota is not East Texas it is actually the crosstimbers section of the state, It is on the wrong side of I-45. Let me help you look up the big thicket, see Frankie Texas is a big place North East Texas is nothing like the Big Thicket which is different than the Coastal Bend country with many operating enviroments and these are just a few from the panhandle to the Gulf of Mexico to from the La. bayous to El paso.
I am so impressed that you are taking time to tell me the difference in Texas.
Operating enviroments here vary from 60 inches of rain a year to 10. Now sit down it is almost as far from Beaumont Texas to Chicago 1090 as to El Paso 883 . Texas is very diverse with many different niches and enviroment's drive a 100 miles west (Navasota 25 inches less rainfall in a 100 mile)those cows would starve to death here drinking the grass in East Texas. Now you can move west with no problem. You should work on an epd for that.
EPDs don't tell you a thing about environment. The program that creates them takes the environment influence out. They only tell you (one more time), if you breed a bull with a BW EPD of 5 to your cows, under your management, in your environment, you can EXPECT the calves to weigh 5 more pounds at birth than if you bred those same cows, same management, same environment to a bull of the same breed with a BW EPD of 0. That's what EPDs do.
Well I not changing the direction I have chosen as I have operated in more than one enviroment. Listen to Dun or Doc a voice of reason, who has operated in more than one enviroment.
I don't see Dun or Doc insulting people, demeaning their programs. Only you and your "posse."
I am sorry black calve don't top our salebarn prices its yellow bald face, Super baldies and Tigers. I have problems takin advice from some one that thinks there is only one breed for every enviroment . East Texas will be brammer influenced when your dead and gone. I know that it is hard for you take but your breed don't cut it with out the Brammer.
I wouldn't expect SORRY black calves to top any sale barn. But I'll bet the GOOD black calves sell as well or better at your sale barn as any other color. Brahman breeders were doing some feeding and tenderness testing last I knew. There's no reason they can't identify cattle that will perform and produce good beef.
I bet we could get Bullred to let us use some pasture down in that Long Island Bayou country and you could supply the Angus to die there and we could use that data.
Or you can bring some of those big eared yellow calves up to my sale barn and see how they sell beside the black ones. Most of my bulls go to local buyers. They work well here. You're not telling the truth when you say I try to push Angus on people. Even if I did, why don't you get on Springer's case when he pushes Murray Greys? I think it's because you don't feel threatened by the Greys. But you know the Angus are going to make a difference in your part of the beef industry. And I think you're right.
Frankie admit it at best your a paper cowboy if someone hasn't wriiten it down for you your lost to the real world and different operating enviroments. Your great with a calculator and numbers but your are totally lost to reality of enviroments.
Why should I be worried about your environment? I'm raising cattle in mine and they do fine.
See Frankie I am not educated like you and some other's here I will be the first to admit I am not an eloquent writer. So let this stupid old Cattlemen keep things simple and making money with animals that survive. I just haven't figured out how to make it on a cow that falls apart here.
Poor Caustic. I could almost feel sorry for you, but being "uneducated" doesn't necessarily mean a school education. As I said, I know several people who later in life have learned to raise cattle. No one is born knowing how to be successful in the cattle business. If your way works, fine for you.
I am wrasslin with the hog here. You right Frankie about everthing.
I posted my opinion about Tigerstripe cattle early in this thread. We had some of them. When bred to a good Angus bull, they raised good calves. Not the best in their group, but good calves. And they weren't wild and crazy as you claim yours are. You apparently didn't like my opinion, so you said this about me
"The biggest promlems brammers have is Frankie Fiction buyers that when it comes to cattle dont know whether to wind there butt or wipe there watch.
Don't use my name in vain, Caustic. You may think it's funny. I don't. I can be just as nasty and ugly as you and will do so when you slam me or my breed. It's up to you.