The Affordable Care Act will cover any drug needed

[Richardin52]

The affordable care act requires that drugs from every class of drugs be covered. The act leaves the decision up to states to choose benchmarks on drugs that insurance companies must meet.

If however a particular drug is needed by an individual The Affordable Care Act regulations demands that there must be an "exceptions process" in place that allows patients to request and gain access to clinically appropriate drugs that aren't covered by the health plan. So if a plan does not cover a particular drug that a patient absolutely needs their doctor can certify that it is "medical necessity" to extend coverage.

Insurance Companies often would not cover certain drugs before the Affordable Care Act and in some cases there was no recourse for a patient. The affordable care act fixed that. :clap:

 

[backhoeboogie]

What's this gonna cost us?

My guess is before long there'll be incentives to Doctors to simply "put us to sleep."

 

[greybeard]

define "needed".

 

[Caustic Burno]

define "needed".

Ah Comrade needed is a definition of no longer of value to the masster.
Plantation principles the true irony is the north that thought this system was evil 150 years ago
embraces it today.

 

[Caustic Burno]

The true irony here in the next fight it will be the South trying to free us from slavery.

The view is I the American public should work and pay for your health care, food and housing.
Provide your own but this goes against the lock step march of the Party of Comrades.
You have become completely owned by the master of the ultimate corporation of the true rich and elite
of Plantation Policies known as the Great Society.

It is not the job of the people or the government to supply you with food, medical or housing this is way outside
what the framing fathers wrote for the USA. It is through in line with the framing father of Mother Russia's Karl Marx.

Back to the needed part GB, Stalin decided 20 million Russians were not needed.
Mao 80 million Chinese.

This has never been about our welfare only sold under that guise.

Are you one of the needed or not needed?
Depends on your status on the plantation.
If you are one of the politburo you are needed, if not fodder to further the cause.


"The leaders of Socialist Marxist movements have created and used this economic unrest to create political unrest and social disorder, leading to chaos, in turn turning the working classes against the producer classes and have successfully over-thrown governments and monarchies. From the 1790's France to 1970's Cambodia to today in Venezuela and the Congo and Sudan these countries and many more where democratically elected governments or monarchial society's or any local form of government has been supplanted with far worse using a "better life" as their rallying cry. They have all led to dictatorships that have been genocidal nightmares with hundreds of millions of the people they used to take power murdered or imprisoned. From Robespierre to Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Moa, Pol Pot, Guevara, all of them recognized how the use of current downturns in economic conditions to insight and implement political gain through mobilization of the masses.

Every single instance above started where we are now beginning, this is intentionally being done to ferment and fester this countries population. The Marxist Socialist Democrat's are creating the demise of this country to empower their party and subjugate the population to a singular rule of law. It is blatantly obvious that for more than 100 years since Teddy Roosevelt lost to Woodrow Wilson and his progresssive Bull Moose party that split the Republican party, the Democrats have held the majority of power. The following tables reflect the party percentage from 1867-2001. They are used with permission from their author: Prof. David L. Roper from Party Control of U.S. Government
by L. David Roper ([email protected])"

http://www.redstate.com/diary/kcjw33/20 ... t-america/

 

[lovehammer]

CB, it really doesn't matter if the democrats or republicans have "control" of any of the elected offices.

With the recent Supreme Court decision on campaign finance, our say really won't matter anymore. Most of the issues that have a profound impact on our society are never discussed: tax reform, campaign finance, etc. The media focuses on issues that are pretty much meaningless: gay marriage, abortion, drug legalization.

The gov just needs to keep everybody fat, dumb, and too lazy to do demand change.

 

[kerley]

Richardin52
The exceptions list is required, I've been through that one. My copay was going to be 1500. Can you afford that? I can't. And, if you truly want to know the full extension of the drug plan, contact your drug company don't rely on word of mouth. I have a document in writing from my Pharmacuetical provider--which is a wrap account. Obama lies.

 

[Caustic Burno]

CB, it really doesn't matter if the democrats or republicans have "control" of any of the elected offices.

With the recent Supreme Court decision on campaign finance, our say really won't matter anymore. Most of the issues that have a profound impact on our society are never discussed: tax reform, campaign finance, etc. The media focuses on issues that are pretty much meaningless: gay marriage, abortion, drug legalization.

The gov just needs to keep everybody fat, dumb, and too lazy to do demand change.

I think everyone of them needs to be tried for high treason.
Not one has upheld the oath of office to follow the laws and defend the constitution.
I dislike the Republican's and loathe the Dem's.

I am a Libertarian that is the problem with our two party system you have to vote for the lesser of two evils or throw your vote away.

 

[kerley]

Richardin52
"Insurance Companies often would not cover certain drugs before the Affordable Care Act and in some cases there was no recourse for a patient. The affordable care act fixed that. :clap:"

Uh, I don't know what insurance you had, but the one Obama took from me so you could have yours covered all my medicines. At a 5 -20 dollar copay, depending on the drug. You are taking from us so you can get yours--course, you haven't seen the full repercussions of Obama's misleading crap. What he says ain't what it us. So, clap while you can, when arthritis riddles your bones and you can't get the drugs to help, you won't be able to clap.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Richardin52
"Insurance Companies often would not cover certain drugs before the Affordable Care Act and in some cases there was no recourse for a patient. The affordable care act fixed that. :clap:"

Uh, I don't know what insurance you had, but the one Obama took from me so you could have yours covered all my medicines. At a 5 -20 dollar copay, depending on the drug. You are taking from us so you can get yours--course, you haven't seen the full repercussions of Obama's misleading crap. What he says ain't what it us. So, clap while you can, when arthritis riddles your bones and you can't get the drugs to help, you won't be able to clap.

I hear you kerley for us that paid our way for years now we have reduced benefits to pay for those that chose not to pay.

 

[ga.prime]

Same here, kerley. My insurance has always covered any medicine and it still does except that now, thanks to Obamacare, the premiums and deductibles are through the roof.

 

[Jogeephus]

I think many people have the belief that we have a constitutional right to health care. We don't. But I think the government could level the playing field if they would not force hospitals and doctors to work on people who will never pay them. That is unfair to the hospital and unfair to those of us who have to make up the difference thru increased health care costs. Someone ultimately has to pay for these services and I think this should be equably shared by all who use the system.

I believe if the government truly had our best interests at heart they could create a national health insurance pool where EVERYONE can choose to pay in a flat percentage of their earnings to provide coverage under a national plan. Those who chose not to join into the system for whatever reason are free to opt out but in exercising this freedom they must also assume the responsibility that comes with it.

I spoke with several people in the UK about their system and they all liked their system and said essentially they pay 6% of their income for their food stamps, government housing and healthcare. Since we are already providing the food stamps and housing I think it would be reasonable to assume that we could fund a healthcare system for 3-4% of our earnings if even that much. Whatever we put in place, I think the burden should be shared equally by all.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I think many people have the belief that we have a constitutional right to health care. We don't. But I think the government could level the playing field if they would not force hospitals and doctors to work on people who will never pay them. That is unfair to the hospital and unfair to those of us who have to make up the difference thru increased health care costs. Someone ultimately has to pay for these services and I think this should be equably shared by all who use the system.

I believe if the government truly had our best interests at heart they could create a national health insurance pool where EVERYONE can choose to pay in a flat percentage of their earnings to provide coverage under a national plan. Those who chose not to join into the system for whatever reason are free to opt out but in exercising this freedom they must also assume the responsibility that comes with it.

I spoke with several people in the UK about their system and they all liked their system and said essentially they pay 6% of their income for their food stamps, government housing and healthcare. Since we are already providing the food stamps and housing I think it would be reasonable to assume that we could fund a healthcare system for 3-4% of our earnings if even that much. Whatever we put in place, I think the burden should be shared equally by all.

Jo the problem I have with that is why should I have to subsidize someone that makes poor health choices in life.
If you choose to eat 3 big Mac's a day I shouldn't have to pay for your diabetic treatment and heart surgery.
What should be required is every American take Civics and pass a test on the Constitution before they had voting rights.

 

[Jogeephus]

CB, I don't see it as a subsidy only a fair way to offer insurance. Why should it cost a self employed person $1000/month for the same insurance through Blue Cross as someone who works for the state government that gets the same coverage for $500/month. If we all pool our resources then the premiums will be lowered - especially if you take out the people who are getting treatment for nothing when most can pay something. I have no problem with a flat percentage as long as everyone has some skin in the game.

 

[Caustic Burno]

CB, I don't see it as a subsidy only a fair way to offer insurance. Why should it cost a self employed person $1000/month for the same insurance through Blue Cross as someone who works for the state government that gets the same coverage for $500/month. If we all pool our resources then the premiums will be lowered - especially if you take out the people who are getting treatment for nothing when most can pay something. I have no problem with a flat percentage as long as everyone has some skin in the game.

I hear and understand what you are saying and you make a valid point.
The libertarian in me sees this as another socialist step.
Now if the government wants to fund the system with a sales tax for all their income including income tax.
At least I am getting some return back on the welfare dollars furnishing housing for the resident crackheads.
Then at least no one that spends a dollar can duck the system.

 

[Jogeephus]

I know what you mean and I know I am making some wild speculations thinking the government would actually do something for the good of the country and not to buy votes. If they had the country in mind we would have a flat tax and this would be worked into it. A simple tax code that is levied equally on everyone would be good for the country but not good for the vermin.

 

[highgrit]

So you mean the all the low life dirt balls and illegals won't be allowed to raise babies for government assistance? Come on Jo, the liberals and blacks would never go for that. The reason I say blacks is because the low life whites won't get off their sorry azz to vote.

 

[Caustic Burno]

So you mean the all the low life dirt balls and illegals won't be allowed to raise babies for government assistance? Come on Jo, the liberals and blacks would never go for that. The reason I say blacks is because the low life whites won't get off their sorry azz to vote.

The felon crack heads lost that right just none of the other's.

 

[gimpyrancher]

One of the leading causes of bankruptcy was medical bills. Mostly by the uninsured. Those with insurance have always enjoyed a discount on medical costs. Their insurance companies were able to negotiate cheaper prices. When an uninsured patient needed care, they were charged significantly higher prices.

Now it appears the prices will be the same across the board. Equal access, equal prices and equal treatment is not popular for those that have enjoyed so many extra perks in the past.

 

[Shanghai]

One of the leading causes of bankruptcy was medical bills. Mostly by the uninsured. Those with insurance have always enjoyed a discount on medical costs. Their insurance companies were able to negotiate cheaper prices. When an uninsured patient needed care, they were charged significantly higher prices.

Now it appears the prices will be the same across the board. Equal access, equal prices and equal treatment is not popular for those that have enjoyed so many extra perks in the past.

All equal now huh ?
Except who's footing the bill
My whole life I've been told you get what you pay for and you get in return what you put into it
Hard work and determination will be rewarded
It appears I've been mislead