Subject: The Decline of Great Civilizations

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> Subject: The Decline of Great Civilizations
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> Subject: Decline of Great Civilizations
> While the accuracy of the 200-year average duration for the world's great
> civilizations noted in the appended information is questionable, the
> standard progression outlined for the great civilizations as they progress
> and then decline offers some eerie insights on the challenges at hand for
> our country.
> I thought this pretty good.
> An interesting analysis of the last presidential election:
> At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution,
> in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The
> University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian
> Republic" some 2,000 years prior.
>
> "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
> permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
> the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts
> from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes
> for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
> with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose
> fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
> "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning
> of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these
> nations always progressed through the following sequence:
> >From Bondage to spiritual faith;
> >From spiritual faith to great courage;
> >From courage to liberty;
> >From liberty to abundance;
> >From abundance to complacency;
> >From complacency to apathy;
> >From apathy to dependence;
> >From dependence back into bondage."
>
> Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
> Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent
> Presidential election:
>
> Population of counties won by:
> Gore=127 million
> Bush=143 million
>
> Square miles of land won by:
> Gore=580,000
> Bush=2,2427,000
>
> States won by:
> Gore=19
> Bush=29
>
> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
> Gore=13.2
> Bush=2.1
>
> Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was
> mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
> Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
> government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."
>
> Olson believes the U.S. is now somewhere between the "complacency and
> "apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with some 40
> percent of the nation's population already having reached the
> "governmental dependency" phase.
> Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake in this
> Election Year and that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
>
 

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Hmmmmm.....interesting. Yesterday, I had an interesting convo with someone that reminded me that in all of history all empires has failed. No empire has ever ruled the world..... United States is an empire and is on the road to failure.

Someone once told me that Communism should come first before Democracy....she didn't explain why but in order for any government to be successful, communism comes first than democracy. I think she got these words from Karl Marx, the founder of Communism.

PS Democracy will fail in Iraq. Iraq is a full fledged muslim country that is strict to their tradtional radical ways... I can't believe Bush would compare with Turkey to Iraq last week. He quoted the successful examples of Turkey in converstion to democracy....remember Turkey is still an Muslim country and has their terrorist groups, which they seems to ignore... He failed to state that UAE (United Arab Emigrates) one of the most deomocratic nation in the Middle East and is the most INTERNATIONALIZED nation of the Middle East....they believed in free, global trading (even smuggling is legal). Why he fail to mention UAE? Because UAE's oil revenue is about 7%, they earn the rest through TRADING! The world around should set their eyes on the success of Dubai...one of the most modern and cosmopolian city in the world...

Dubai has the only seven star hotel in the world (hotel looks like a sailboat, also hotel is one of the largest)
Dubai is the future site of the Palm (island neighborhood. The island will be shaped like a palm tree).

Lost track from the orginal point so I will stop.
 

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BTW, I got those facts about UAE from a show called "Globe Trekker" (a cute girl is the host).
 

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Oreo":3eo7o22g said:
BTW, I got those facts about UAE from a show called "Globe Trekker" (a cute girl is the host).

Wow, Oreo! A cute girl is the host, huh? Still maintain high journalistic standards for your sources, don't you?
 

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MULDOON":3387zqm5 said:
The main reason I posted the article was because of the 2000 election statistics!!

I thought they were pretty eye opening :shock: :shock:
Interesting facts Muldoon. Keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :)
 

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I've always been a strong believer that less government= more freedom.
The conservatives believe in less government. If a person wants to join a commune or be a homosexual, I don't care. Go off and do whatever you like. It's a free country. The socialists are a selfish bunch. They set up programs and you and your tax money are going to participate and you have no say. They want to force me to accept gay marriage and give those people all the same rights my wife and I have, and they shove that down your throat and you have no choice because thats their agenda and everyone is forced to accept the way they think. If i had my way, I'd opt out of the Canada health plan and take my chances paying for health insurance where I control my own premiums based on how much medical attention I need. Instead I'm forced to throw my tax money in the pot to support some welfare case who has nothing better to do than run to the doctor everytime she has a sniffle or an ache. My cousin is a doctor, she says the majority of people who come to her are people who want someone to talk to and have nothing better to do with their time than to hang around a waiting room. Our taxes go up and our level of service goes down. People up here die while sitting in the emergency room sometimes 10-12 hours to see a doctor because the doctors are too busy dealing with people who aren't sick. Its a lousy system but the socialists like it and I'm along for the ride. I think we, as Canadians, are farther down the path than you. We already have a virtual dictatorship. Over ten years with the same government. Corrupt as they are, the easterners keep electing them. The socialists breed like rabbits up here. They have no ambition and thus no reason to control their fertility. I believe that the system can't keep going as it is. The social programs will have to topple eventually from lack of funds. Baby boomers are aging and retiring and I'm right at the back end. Not only have I not had the job opportunities, because there has always been someone with a few more years experience than me, I've also had to pay more taxes to support these welfare people and retirees. Every generation seems to get dumber and have less common sense than the one before. We need to get some of these kids working with those strong backs instead of giving them an option to retire to welfare in their twenties. If communism is the way we're going, you guys better keep democracy strong because i'll be movin' south. Whew, i feel better now. Not even that far off topic.
 

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Texan, get off my back.....where do you go off calling me an Oreo... Don't know what the hell it even means!

I think you are a bit confuse by the definition of socialism. Socialism doesn't mean to give money away. Socialism means everyone gets equal pay or proportion regardless to their profession. Take China as an example (or affectionally known as Socialist's Party of China).....people will work 8-10 hours a day whether they work for a mine or a factory, stand in the food line, get the same food as their neighbors, at the end of the week, they get paid the same as everyone else does... Its not a bad system except there should be variaties..different food for different diets, different pays for the more skilled (almost like Democracy except not nearly as corrupted). The only problem with Socialism is the number of wealthy is very small, selective fews...you can't come from a mine and be a millionaire... In Socialism, you have to be a millionaire to begin with.. Additionally, you can't own properties (that recently changed as China is now granting private property to private citizens...a simple sign of changes to Democracy in China). Well tahts all I know about socialism.. Please stop calling me Oreo. Thanks.
 

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greenpasture78 said:
Texan, get off my back.....where do you go off calling me an Oreo... Don't know what the hell it even means!

I think you are a bit confuse by the definition of socialism. Socialism doesn't mean to give money away. Socialism means everyone gets equal pay or proportion regardless to their profession. Take China as an example (or affectionally known as Socialist's Party of China).....people will work 8-10 hours a day whether they work for a mine or a factory, stand in the food line, get the same food as their neighbors, at the end of the week, they get paid the same as everyone else does... Its not a bad system except there should be variaties..different food for different diets, different pays for the more skilled (almost like Democracy except not nearly as corrupted). The only problem with Socialism is the number of wealthy is very small, selective fews...you can't come from a mine and be a millionaire... In Socialism, you have to be a millionaire to begin with.. Additionally, you can't own properties (that recently changed as China
now granting private property to private citizens...a simple sign of changes to Democracy in China). Well tahts all I know about socialism.. Please stop calling me Oreo. Thanks.[/quote

Thanks Oreo
You're very astute. :lol:
 

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The democrats are a symptom of the Oreo sickness.
 

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CircleA":1jve63yx said:
:stop: WARING :stop: link is graphic!!!!

http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article250240.ece

This article reports of a couple having sex on stage in a PUBLIC concert :shock: - all in the name of "saving the rain forest" :eek: - my big toe!

What is the world coming to - to going to!

Alex

The way things are going in the U S of A I would not be suprised for that to be commonplace over here within a few years.
 

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greenpasture78":3d720jx4 said:
Socialism means everyone gets equal pay or proportion regardless to their profession. Take China as an example (or affectionally known as Socialist's Party of China).....people will work 8-10 hours a day whether they work for a mine or a factory, stand in the food line, get the same food as their neighbors, at the end of the week, they get paid the same as everyone else does... Its not a bad system except there should be variaties..different food for different diets, different pays for the more skilled (almost like Democracy except not nearly as corrupted)...

So does an office worker get paid the same as a "ditch digger" the same as a doctor the same as a farmer under Socialism?

greenpasture78":3d720jx4 said:
In Socialism, you have to be a millionaire to begin with...

So when would that be...before Socialism is enacted?
 

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