Selection of cattle in the past

[Bright Raven]

Ron, I believe you missed my point.
Part of the fascination in breeding cattle how it makes you a part of how the world really works. The natural tendency, even in wild aurochs, is toward disorder. Harmful mutations greatly outnumber those that could be seen as helpful.
Only intelligence (information) can counteract this tendency.

Thanks. Yes. Evolutionary Biologists maintain that there are millions of harmful mutations compared to ones that benefit the species.

Nevertheless, it still holds true that selective breeding of aurochs into current day cows, is an exercise in fighting the natural order of the Universe.

 

[Ky hills]

Ron, I believe you missed my point.
Part of the fascination in breeding cattle how it makes you a part of how the world really works. The natural tendency, even in wild aurochs, is toward disorder. Harmful mutations greatly outnumber those that could be seen as helpful.
Only intelligence (information) can counteract this tendency.

Thanks. Yes. Evolutionary Biologists maintain that there are millions of harmful mutations compared to ones that benefit the species.

Nevertheless, it still holds true that selective breeding of aurochs into current day cows, is an exercise in fighting the natural order of the Universe.

I wonder how the process of the back breeding to Aurochs program is going? The last I heard it was maybe 3 generations in.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

I can't remember the last time I used epds for selecting replacements out of my own herd. Actually only a few epd numbers I do use when selecting outside bulls or heifers. The old timers eyes were well trained in find what worked. Working to get mine the same.

 

[Bright Raven]

Ron, I believe you missed my point.
Part of the fascination in breeding cattle how it makes you a part of how the world really works. The natural tendency, even in wild aurochs, is toward disorder. Harmful mutations greatly outnumber those that could be seen as helpful.
Only intelligence (information) can counteract this tendency.

Thanks. Yes. Evolutionary Biologists maintain that there are millions of harmful mutations compared to ones that benefit the species.

Nevertheless, it still holds true that selective breeding of aurochs into current day cows, is an exercise in fighting the natural order of the Universe.

I wonder how the process of the back breeding to Aurochs program is going? The last I heard it was maybe 3 generations in.

To my knowledge they are extinct. What are you talking about.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Thanks. Yes. Evolutionary Biologists maintain that there are millions of harmful mutations compared to ones that benefit the species.

Nevertheless, it still holds true that selective breeding of aurochs into current day cows, is an exercise in fighting the natural order of the Universe.

I wonder how the process of the back breeding to Aurochs program is going? The last I heard it was maybe 3 generations in.

To my knowledge they are extinct. What are you talking about.

I would venture to guess he is thinking of a poster with 2000 lb cows. After all the Aurochs were pretty large.

 

[Ky hills]

Thanks. Yes. Evolutionary Biologists maintain that there are millions of harmful mutations compared to ones that benefit the species.

Nevertheless, it still holds true that selective breeding of aurochs into current day cows, is an exercise in fighting the natural order of the Universe.

I wonder how the process of the back breeding to Aurochs program is going? The last I heard it was maybe 3 generations in.

To my knowledge they are extinct. What are you talking about.

Yes, to my knowledge they are extinct too. What I was referring to was something that I read that there was a project aimed at backbreeding I believe the term was to get something similar to the ancient wild Aurochs and reintroduce them into some park areas in parts of Europe. I remember reading about it online and then sometime later reading an updated version. The plan was as I remember to take several breeds that were thought to have more or closer characteristics of Aurochs and cross breed them for several generations. It sounded like a stretch to me, to be able to get anywhere close to that within a few generations as it suggested.

 

[Son of Butch]

Aurochs are maybe 10,000 years old. The oldest dna tested Auroch bones date to 2,400 & 4,750 bc
The speculation that they evolved from "auroch like bones" 2 million years old is poppy cock.
DNA testing has found some breeds, such as Highlands and White Park share dna segments with Auroch while other modern breeds do not.

In any event we are still talking a long time period.
After all the Bronze Age didn't begin until 3,300 bc and the change over from hunter-gatherer to
farming and domestic animals first occurred about 10,000 years ago.
According to Orrin Shane former curator for archaeology at the Minnesota Science Museum, the oldest city ever discovered, Catalhoyuk, was 9,000 years old existing from 7,100 bc to 5,600 bc.

 

[Ky hills]

I wonder how the process of the back breeding to Aurochs program is going? The last I heard it was maybe 3 generations in.

To my knowledge they are extinct. What are you talking about.

I would venture to guess he is thinking of a poster with 2000 lb cows. After all the Aurochs were pretty large.

Have been within touching distance of some 2000 lbs fullblood Chianina cows in the 80's. Now apparently I can drive 50 miles north and see some 2000+lbs Angus cows :lol2:

 

[Son of Butch]

There was talk/speculation about collecting dna from Auroch bones and cloning to bring them back too.

 

[Ky hills]

Just found an article online about it. Tauros Programme - Wikipedia. It stated the goal was to develop a similar animal to the Wild Aurochs, using breeds that had superficial characteristics similar to them.

 

[andybob]

https://rewildingeurope.com/rewilding-in-action/wildlife-comeback/tauros/

 

[Son of Butch]

Yes, bring back those man-eaters, diversity is the buzzword for the 21st century.
It's gotta be a government program, no private sector would waste the money to do it.

 

[andybob]

Yes, bring back those man-eaters, diversity is the buzzword for the 21st century.
It's gotta be a government program, no private sector would waste the money to do it.

Exactly, the previous attempt is a case in point - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299461121_Back-breeding_the_aurochs_the_Heck_brothers_National_Socialism_and_imagined_geographies_for_nonhuman_Lebensraum

 

[Ebenezer]

I'm still waiting for the recreation of the passenger pigeon so that they can be federally protected and swoop down and eat all of the fruit.

 

[Douglas]

would someone post a word that rhymes with Aurochs. Just wondering how it is pronounced.

 

[Bright Raven]

would someone post a word that rhymes with Aurochs. Just wondering how it is pronounced.

It sounds like saying "our rocks".

 

[Douglas]

thanks

 

[Son of Butch]

Block, clock, jock, lock, mock, sock, rock or IF you're a Pirate... Arrr-rocks.

 

[Bright Raven]

thanks

andybob has a British accent (Zimbabwe), he may pronounce it differently.

 

[andybob]

thanks

andybob has a British accent (Zimbabwe), he may pronounce it differently.

Nope, just the same as you do Bright Raven - my accent is more Allan Savory than Johann Zietsman despite the Zietsman family having been my neighbours in Zim.