Alan,
Have you got a good recipe for fajitas? :lol2:
Have you got a good recipe for fajitas? :lol2:
I PMed youDOC HARRIS":352o64ml said:Amazing! We have almost 1000 posts on this thread, and have lurched back into the same old tired rhetoric concerning which is BEST - Angus or Hereford - or - horned or polled - or - or black white-face - or - color - color - color - on to infinity! OR , throwing the same old tired blather relating to the AAA (American Angus Association), which is nothing more than "Breed" prejudice harkening back to the days when the Hereford Breed was the supreme beef breed in the USA ( with justifiable reasons) and the Angus breed (and others) were taking the hind teat. When the Angus breeders got their collective heads out of wherever they had been, and began to pay attention to genetic reality and scientific facts, and a common sense BALANCE between those factors, along with increased education by cattle producers relating to accuracies of selection traits and characteristics - the more astute breeders became aware of the realities of Dominance of Genetics in many of the important profitable factors in making a PROFIT in the beef cattle business. "Single Trait Selection" (Hide "color" being one and Breed "Name" being another) still pervades the thinking of narrow-minded "cattle multipliers" who still can't ascertain why they can't dig themselves out of the "that's-just-the-way-that-we-have-always-done-it!" thinking, and realize the kind of PROFIT that is possible to be realized by paying attention to others who have more sense than they do.
But - in the 6000 year history of recorded world activities, the old Devil "ARROGANCE" will continue to yell in their ears "NOBODY can tell YOU what to do! You know it all!"
And we will continue to have the same stupid justification of 'ignorance' that exists today. And we will continue to have cattle breeders who will ignore reality and advanced knowledge, and continue to wonder why they have less than optimal breeding successes with their herds. EPD's are a scam, and DNA is advanced educational hooey! AND, "Multiple Trait Selection" choices is too much trouble.
Rant over!
DOC HARRIS
Chuckie":2glpxk9l said:Alan,
Have you got a good recipe for fajitas? :lol2:
cowgirl8":hrhd04t1 said:I PMed youDOC HARRIS":hrhd04t1 said:Amazing! We have almost 1000 posts on this thread, and have lurched back into the same old tired rhetoric concerning which is BEST - Angus or Hereford - or - horned or polled - or - or black white-face - or - color - color - color - on to infinity! OR , throwing the same old tired blather relating to the AAA (American Angus Association), which is nothing more than "Breed" prejudice harkening back to the days when the Hereford Breed was the supreme beef breed in the USA ( with justifiable reasons) and the Angus breed (and others) were taking the hind teat. When the Angus breeders got their collective heads out of wherever they had been, and began to pay attention to genetic reality and scientific facts, and a common sense BALANCE between those factors, along with increased education by cattle producers relating to accuracies of selection traits and characteristics - the more astute breeders became aware of the realities of Dominance of Genetics in many of the important profitable factors in making a PROFIT in the beef cattle business. "Single Trait Selection" (Hide "color" being one and Breed "Name" being another) still pervades the thinking of narrow-minded "cattle multipliers" who still can't ascertain why they can't dig themselves out of the "that's-just-the-way-that-we-have-always-done-it!" thinking, and realize the kind of PROFIT that is possible to be realized by paying attention to others who have more sense than they do.
But - in the 6000 year history of recorded world activities, the old Devil "ARROGANCE" will continue to yell in their ears "NOBODY can tell YOU what to do! You know it all!"
And we will continue to have the same stupid justification of 'ignorance' that exists today. And we will continue to have cattle breeders who will ignore reality and advanced knowledge, and continue to wonder why they have less than optimal breeding successes with their herds. EPD's are a scam, and DNA is advanced educational hooey! AND, "Multiple Trait Selection" choices is too much trouble.
Rant over!
DOC HARRIS
Carlos F.":3mim2327 said:Aaron":3mim2327 said:Did all of the Hereford influence come from operations that had Hereford and no other breed on the place? Reason I ask is I know a Hereford/Red Angus guy that sells bulls and more than once his whiteface bulls have thrown a solid on whiteface cows and a solid thrown a whiteface on solid cows.
The Hereford influence comes from registered Hereford breeders, and as far as I know none of them had any other breed.
elkwc":1glxfr5v said:First I want to say this is a nice bull. He has some of the Remittal influence which I have found in most of the better polled cattle I've seen. He should do a nice job for the OP. He would rank in the top 5% of all of the polled bulls I've looked at this year. I've been searching for a Hereford bull preferably a polled. Regardless of what some polled breeders claim there is a quality difference at least in this area between horned and polled cattle. I've covered a fairly large area. Have looked at bulls from some of the hottest breeders in the polled business and bulls who have been either high sellers or at the very top. The issues I've found is that on the average the Polled breed hasn't corrected the muscling issue. I've found some structural problems and also frame size. Many of the bulls from the hottest breeders reminds me of the overgrown dwarfs of the 50's and early 60's. I have seen some improvement. I've found a few bulls which I would purchase but they are priced 2-3 times higher than a horned bull of comparable quality. The other issue in some of those I've found that meet my requirements go back to Titan 23D which many of the known diluters trace back too. And being I want a purebred Hereford with no known or possible genetic issues I'm trying to avoid them. Many of the quality Polled cattle I've found trace back to the Remittals and many go back to the Barbers and Moler. I have found two polled herds that are producing what I term good quality cattle that will perform for the commercial breeder. And have one more to go look at. I feel if the Polled breed will address their issues and the breeders quit chasing the current show ring fad they will be very sought after in the future. I have talked to other commercial breeders and most of them echo my thoughts. I can't comment on the quality in other areas but in this area the main improvement I've noticed over the last 30 years in the Polled cattle and a important one are the udders and teats. Most have addressed this issue. Again my opinion is from a commercial breeder looking for a Hereford bull for an cross. The only reason I haven't purchased a Horned bull is we want to eliminate the need to dehorn.
mncowboy":1egvkuad said:elkwc":1egvkuad said:First I want to say this is a nice bull. He has some of the Remittal influence which I have found in most of the better polled cattle I've seen. He should do a nice job for the OP. He would rank in the top 5% of all of the polled bulls I've looked at this year. I've been searching for a Hereford bull preferably a polled. Regardless of what some polled breeders claim there is a quality difference at least in this area between horned and polled cattle. I've covered a fairly large area. Have looked at bulls from some of the hottest breeders in the polled business and bulls who have been either high sellers or at the very top. The issues I've found is that on the average the Polled breed hasn't corrected the muscling issue. I've found some structural problems and also frame size. Many of the bulls from the hottest breeders reminds me of the overgrown dwarfs of the 50's and early 60's. I have seen some improvement. I've found a few bulls which I would purchase but they are priced 2-3 times higher than a horned bull of comparable quality. The other issue in some of those I've found that meet my requirements go back to Titan 23D which many of the known diluters trace back too. And being I want a purebred Hereford with no known or possible genetic issues I'm trying to avoid them. Many of the quality Polled cattle I've found trace back to the Remittals and many go back to the Barbers and Moler. I have found two polled herds that are producing what I term good quality cattle that will perform for the commercial breeder. And have one more to go look at. I feel if the Polled breed will address their issues and the breeders quit chasing the current show ring fad they will be very sought after in the future. I have talked to other commercial breeders and most of them echo my thoughts. I can't comment on the quality in other areas but in this area the main improvement I've noticed over the last 30 years in the Polled cattle and a important one are the udders and teats. Most have addressed this issue. Again my opinion is from a commercial breeder looking for a Hereford bull for an cross. The only reason I haven't purchased a Horned bull is we want to eliminate the need to dehorn.
I purchased this one from Olson hereford and red Angus. Argusville ND. olsonredpower.com
elkwc":15wca1gi said:mncowboy":15wca1gi said:elkwc":15wca1gi said:First I want to say this is a nice bull. He has some of the Remittal influence which I have found in most of the better polled cattle I've seen. He should do a nice job for the OP. He would rank in the top 5% of all of the polled bulls I've looked at this year. I've been searching for a Hereford bull preferably a polled. Regardless of what some polled breeders claim there is a quality difference at least in this area between horned and polled cattle. I've covered a fairly large area. Have looked at bulls from some of the hottest breeders in the polled business and bulls who have been either high sellers or at the very top. The issues I've found is that on the average the Polled breed hasn't corrected the muscling issue. I've found some structural problems and also frame size. Many of the bulls from the hottest breeders reminds me of the overgrown dwarfs of the 50's and early 60's. I have seen some improvement. I've found a few bulls which I would purchase but they are priced 2-3 times higher than a horned bull of comparable quality. The other issue in some of those I've found that meet my requirements go back to Titan 23D which many of the known diluters trace back too. And being I want a purebred Hereford with no known or possible genetic issues I'm trying to avoid them. Many of the quality Polled cattle I've found trace back to the Remittals and many go back to the Barbers and Moler. I have found two polled herds that are producing what I term good quality cattle that will perform for the commercial breeder. And have one more to go look at. I feel if the Polled breed will address their issues and the breeders quit chasing the current show ring fad they will be very sought after in the future. I have talked to other commercial breeders and most of them echo my thoughts. I can't comment on the quality in other areas but in this area the main improvement I've noticed over the last 30 years in the Polled cattle and a important one are the udders and teats. Most have addressed this issue. Again my opinion is from a commercial breeder looking for a Hereford bull for an cross. The only reason I haven't purchased a Horned bull is we want to eliminate the need to dehorn.
I purchased this one from Olson hereford and red Angus. Argusville ND. olsonredpower.com
They have some nice herd bulls. They are a long ways from me. Just curious will 5 thousand buy a bull from them?
Alan":zzd1v0l6 said:Oh yea! Nothing, I mean nothing beats a good Hereford steak! Especially if you cook it at a slow boil for a few minutes then finish it off in the microwave! So good you can cut it with a hatchet no problem and last in your mouth for a long while! Good eats!
TennesseeTuxedo":1ymlj7dq said:Then can you explain why you'd pay more for angus rather than a regular big mac?
And whether they taste different or not, its what people want and are willing to pay more. This is not something i came up with, its just how it is. Glad to see that someone else can validate it. Which then kind of makes sense that if you dont go for black, black w/f, that if you have any other color and want top price, that calf better be growthy looking or make up for it in size.PLTannery":b3tg1gku said:Didn't have the time to read this whole thread..But if you read the "Certified Angus" and "Certified Hereford" requirements. Black Baldies will meet both requirements. So depending on which is more "Popular" you will still be at the top of the market...
Taurus":3q5q8z3c said:I'm sure that Wagyu & Jersey have been winners for tender beef.skeeter swatter":3q5q8z3c said:TennesseeTuxedo":3q5q8z3c said:You can actually taste the difference huh? Interesting.
Actually there have been taste tests done among purebreds.
And Hereford was consistently the winner.
Chuckie":3q5q8z3c said:I understand this is about Angus vs. Hereford vs. black baldie......
The best beef taste is Jersey. The best beef tenderness and texture is Piedmontese. A thick stark will tear when you try to flip it on the grill. I have eaten quite a few steaks from the cross, and there is no comparison to any Angus steak. I have never had an Angus steak separate on the grill or when you are cutting it, you are thinking, "I could cut this with a fork" as it separates and tears. So tender. Sooo good.