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Our lane is just under a 1/2 mile. The best estimate I had to crown it was 15k. Everyone says the expensive part is the dynamite guy. After a heavy rain I just go down to the bottom and drag the stuff back up to fill in the gaps between the exposed rock.

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CB

Have you looked into fly ash. Thats the leftovers from burning coal at coal fired power plants. Was told when spread wet & packed it is almost like concrete when it dries.

Hope you find a solution. Good luck & happy trails. No pun intended.

Brock
 
Our "driveway" is approximately 1/3 of mile up a steep grade. In addition, our soil is sandy loam and red clay. We finally had to have a "professional" dirt guy crown the road and put in diversion ditches, then put several loads of roadbase down. That fix has held for over ten years. Maybe if you crowned the road and ran several diversion ditches that would help. The sides of our road and the diversion ditches have totally filled in with bermuda grass so there's not a washing issue with them. Good luck, it's an uphill battle - no pun intended.
 
We have a crown (with grass in the crown) and since the water has to go somewhere, it simply cuts down the side of the drive. You can't win. Like he said just get the blade back on the tractor.

Si
 
I bought a grade master about 3 yrs. ago. It works like a grader and realy does a nice job of mantaining the driveway. Mine is 3/10 of a mile long and all down hill. The grade master really took the work out of the drive way. Hope this help you out. Good Luck.
 
Green Creek":36w1bcnw said:
We have a crown (with grass in the crown) and since the water has to go somewhere, it simply cuts down the side of the drive. You can't win. Like he said just get the blade back on the tractor.

Si

I have crowned the road I have diversion ditches, I built a drainage system for the entire place that works.
Getting rock to stay where I want it on a red clay hill has proved to be a battle I haven't been able to win.

Ok Fla when talking to the contractor what kind of sealer am I asking for and how does it hold up to traffic.
 
Caustic, If you can find a contractor to haul some asphalt millings to you during warm weather it might do best.

It sets up like asphalt and won't run away from you.

DO put a crown on it though.
 
Caustic, If you can find a contractor to haul some asphalt millings to you during warm weather it might do best.

It sets up like asphalt and won't run away from you.

DO put a crown on it though.
 
Caustic Burno":14lw3nys said:
My drive way is about 1200 feet long from the county road all uphill, over the years I have bought enough rock to fill in the Trinty River. I am amazed that a road that has been walked in by a Deere 650 dozer has diesel trucks and tractors on it everyday can wash to the bottom of the hill. I have put in 4x4 rock overlayed with 2x2 rock overlayed with limestome and it still washes. I am all for putting in a carport at the bottom of the hill and walking to the house, I just have one small problem she doesn't like that idea.
I am open to suggestions if anybody has got one to stop the wash.
Leave out the rock and go with good road base. Talk to your county road dept. about spraying it with an emulsion after it's bladed and rolled it.
 
Caustic, you could just get a helicopter.

Back when my driveway was a mess, I didn't get any salesman.
 
Texas PaPaw":2ydw5tlw said:
CB

Have you looked into fly ash. Thats the leftovers from burning coal at coal fired power plants. Was told when spread wet & packed it is almost like concrete when it dries.

Hope you find a solution. Good luck & happy trails. No pun intended.

Brock

It is just like cement. A retailer here has it. They call it post set and sell it as a bagged product.
 
Tod Dague":1fsfypus said:
Caustic Burno":1fsfypus said:
My drive way is about 1200 feet long from the county road all uphill, over the years I have bought enough rock to fill in the Trinty River. I am amazed that a road that has been walked in by a Deere 650 dozer has diesel trucks and tractors on it everyday can wash to the bottom of the hill. I have put in 4x4 rock overlayed with 2x2 rock overlayed with limestome and it still washes. I am all for putting in a carport at the bottom of the hill and walking to the house, I just have one small problem she doesn't like that idea.
I am open to suggestions if anybody has got one to stop the wash.
Leave out the rock and go with good road base. Talk to your county road dept. about spraying it with an emulsion after it's bladed and rolled it.
We got about a 1/4 mile drive and that is what was done to ours. Held good for several years now.
 
I didn't know so I looked it up

Bentonite
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Bentonite is an absorbent aluminium phyllosilicate generally impure clay consisting mostly of montmorillonite, (Na,Ca)0.33(Al,Mg)2Si4O10(OH)2·(H2O)n. Two types exist: swelling bentonite which is also called sodium bentonite and non-swelling bentonite or calcium bentonite. It forms from weathering of volcanic ash, most often in the presence of water.
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 1 Sodium bentonite
 2 Calcium bentonite
 3 Uses for both types
 4 History and natural occurrence
 5 References
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Sodium bentonite
Sodium bentonite expands when wet - it can absorb several hundred percent of its dry weight in water. It is mostly used in drilling mud in the oil and gas well drilling industries.
The property of swelling also makes sodium bentonite useful as a sealant, especially targeted for the sealing of subsurface disposal systems for spent nuclear fuel [1] [2] and for quarantining metal pollutants of groundwater. Similar uses include making slurry walls, waterproofing of below grade walls and forming other impermeable barriers (e.g. to plug old wells or as a liner in the base of landfills to prevent migration of leachate into the soil).
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Calcium bentonite
The non-swelling calcium bentonite is sold within the alternative health market for its purported cleansing properties. It is usually combined with water and ingested as part of a detox diet, [3] in a practice known as geophagy. It is claimed that the microscopic structure of the bentonite draws impurities into it from the digestive system, which are then excreted along with the bentonite. It is also claimed that native tribes in South America, Africa and Australia have long used bentonite clay for this purpose. [4]
Pascalite is another commercial name for the calcium bentonite clay.
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Uses for both types
Much of bentonite's usefulness in the drilling and geotechnical engineering industry comes from its unique rheological properties. Relatively small quantities of bentonite suspended in water form a viscous, shear thinning material. Most often, bentonite suspensions are also thixotropic, although rare cases of rheopectic behavior have also been reported. At high enough concentrations (~60 grams of bentonite per liter of suspension), bentonite suspensions begin to take on the characteristics of a gel (a material with finite yield strength).
Bentonite can be used in cement, adhesives, ceramic bodies, cosmetics, and cat litter. Fuller's earth, an ancient dry cleaning substance, is finely ground bentonite. Bentonite, in small percentages, is used as an ingredient in commercially designed clay bodies and ceramic glazes. Bentonite clay is also used in pyrotechnics to make end plugs and rocket nozzles.
The ionic surface of bentonite has a useful property in making a sticky coating on sand grains. When a small proportion of finely ground bentonite clay is added to hard sand and wetted, the clay binds the sand particles into a moldable aggregate known as green sand used for making molds in sand casting. Some river deltas naturally deposit just such a blend of such clay silt and sand, creating a natural source of excellent molding sand that was critical to ancient metalworking technology. Modern chemical processes to modify the ionic surface of bentonite greatly intensify this stickiness, resulting in remarkably dough-like yet strong casting sand mixes that stand up to molten metal temperatures.
The same effluvial deposition of bentonite clay onto beaches accounts for the variety of plasticity of sand from place to place for building sand castles. Beach sand consisting of only silica and shell grains does not mold well compared to grains coated with bentonite clay. This is why some beaches are so much better for building sand castles than others.
The self-stickiness of bentonite allows high-pressure ramming or pressing of the clay in molds to produce hard, refractory shapes, such as model rocket nozzles. Indeed, to test whether a particular brand of cat litter is bentonite, simply ram a sample with a hammer into a sturdy tube with a close-fitting rod; bentonite will form a very hard, consolidated plug that is not easily crumbled.
Bentonite also has the interesting property of adsorbing relatively large amounts of protein molecules from aqueous solutions. It is therefore uniquely useful in the process of winemaking, where it is used to remove excessive amounts of protein from white wines. Were it not for this use of bentonite, many or most white wines would precipitate undesirable flocculent clouds or hazes upon exposure to warmer temperatures, as these proteins denature. It also has the incidental use of inducing more rapid clarification of both red and white wines.
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History and natural occurrence
The absorbent clay was given the name bentonite by an American geologist sometime after its discovery in about 1890 - after the Benton Formation (a geological stratum, at one time Fort Benton) in eastern Wyoming's Rock Creek area. Other modern discoveries include Montmorillonite discovered in 1847 in Montmorillon in the Vienne prefecture of France, in Poitou-Charentes, South of the Loire Valley, and Pascalite discovered in about 1830 by French-Canadian fur trapper Emile Pascal atop the 8600-foot high Big Horn Mountains in Wyoming, USA.
Most high grade commercial sodium bentonite mined in the United States comes from the area between the Black Hills of South Dakota and the Big Horn Basin of Montana. Sodium bentonite is also mined in the southwestern United States, in Greece, and in other regions of the world. Calcium bentonite is mined in the Great Plains, Central Mountains and south eastern regions of the United States. Supposedly the world's largest current source of bentonite is Chongzuo in China's Guangxi province.
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References
 USGS Info
 Wyoming bentonite information
 Canadian bentonite
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Bentonite is what is used for drilling mud. It works great for sealing ponds that wont hold water. Once you get it wet, it stays that way.

If you put that on your driveway, I'd think it would stay wet forever - much longer than clay. Wet spots equate to chug holes.

I don't truly know but it seems that bentonite would be a really bad idea.
 
I'm assuming that you guys don't have any shale around there huh? An old mentor of mine said "You can build a road out of topsoil, if it's compacted prpoperly and if you can get the water to drain off of it.
 

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