SHE MUST of just had it right before i got there. because she was down. when i got in the truck and got closer, she was up, looking down. than i saw its litle head move. She was licking it and standing over it. SO i went on to work, I had my girl go watch it to see, she also saw it trying to get up. Than she said momma cow walked away. But when she tried to go thru the fence to see she came back real quick. SHe's and 4 yr old cow and the calf looked pretty small. So i'm head that way in a couple of hours to check on it. I guess i should stop at the feed store. and get what i need. bottle & Colstrum. good to have on hand if i don't need it. Thanks for the info. I really though i was told mid to late sept. SO if its not up when i get home at lunch i guess i should go take a peek on things. ? and go from there?? does it matter that another cow was right there too? :cowboy: