3waycross":2ttuzxbl said:
What makes you think that the Angus bull is any more user friendly when it comes to Calving ease. You just jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
You use a Gelbvieh bull with a horrible CE number and terrible BW epd then of course you have to make sure you mention that it was a GELBVIEH like the breed itself did that to you.
Then you go find an angus bull with epd's behind him that are just as shyty as the Gelbvieh. The angus assn lists no epd's for him directly but his sire is a 3 for CE and his Dam is a 2. What makes you think you are better off than before.
Oh and by the way did you notice that both his sire and dam are a -6 epd for DOCILITY :shock: SO YOU GET NOT ONLY MORE CALVES THAT ARE HARD TO BIRTH BUT WHEN THEY GROW UP THEY WILL MOST LIKELY TRY TO KILL YOU. :help:
But by Gosh, at least they won't be a Gelbvieh...........don't put those pullin chains away yet :cowboy:
For what it's worth you asked what protocol to use: you might want to use the Burdizzo or Buck knife protocol if you don't want any more problems. Or you could go dig up that daMNed GELBVIEH bull , name him George Bush and blame all your calving problems on him for the next 4 years.
Now that I am done being a smarta$$ let me tell you how seriously bad I feel that you were sold that sorry POS(Gelbvieh) to begin with. He should have never had chance to breed anyones cattle much less your heifers. I am seriously questioning the Angus bull though with the numbers being what they are on his Sire and Dam. The BW numbers are not terrible but the CE is bad and the docility scares the he[[ out of me. Surely you can find a bull with better CE than that. I really do wish you luck.
THE POST DATE WAS IN MAY:
3 WAY, If you'll remember we purchased 2 Gelbvieh bulls from Markes. I bought the Lieutenant Gov son, AMGV1115744, which I have been extremely pleased with and my grandpa bought the Diamond Fortune ET S46 son who's out of an Ozz Hollis cow. Your remarks about my bull:
3waycross":2ttuzxbl said:
Great pedigree. I am at John Oswalds right now picking up some heifers and saw some real good sons of the Govenor bull this morning. He has a red grandson of the Cha Michell cow here that will wean 750lbs next week that I want real bad.
I am in no way bashing the Gelbvieh breed. I have 11 calves on the ground from 1115744. The only problem is 9 of em are bulls. Next spring I will get to see a nice contempory group as he's serviced 35 brangus cows and 5 red angus this summer.
Luckily only 4 of my gpas were bred to the Diamond Fortune son last summer. We bought the bulls last July (2010) and the rest of his cows were already bred. I would have never let the DF bull with my heifers. NOTICE The Gelbvieh bull I bought has a CE of of 113. The group I am asking about in the topic were heifers we just weaned that had been on their moms. None should have been old enough to breed but I wanted to give em the lute as a preventative.
We have already sold the Angus bull 1) because of the drought and 2) we only purchased him to breed the 15 heifers as my gpas now runnning my Charolais M786658 on his mature cows. He is the best looking bull I've ever owned. Im not sure where you get off thinking the Angus bull wasn't calving ease. He had an act BW of 73lbs, his sire had a negative BW epd with over .9 accuracy as well as his grandsire. He was linebred N Bar 5522. These are low birthweight genetics. That being said I didn't just go by epds. When we went to buy the Angus, he was in the pasture with 30+ first calf heifers with calves at side that he sired. They were all small/moderate framed calves with low 70lb bws as recorded by 4G. It wasn't that his EPDs were acceptable, it was the he was PROVEN.
I grew up working char x brahman, hereford x brahman, and the likes. The Docility EPD of angus is a joke and I personally would never make a selection based on that. I am a huge believer in nuture over nature. We sold the bull end of July as he had serviced the yearling heifers and we had no other use for him. Someone should attach the video of him following me into the trailer with a feed bucket to his docility EPD. I would not have purchased this bull for the long haul or as a herd bull but he was an acceptable solution to our problem: 15- 14month old heifers that needed to be bred.
KNERSIE":2ttuzxbl said:
After all this problems you've had the TMW you keep harping on about my cattle seems rather insignificant....
Out of the 45 I run and the 60+ head my grandpa runs, we assisted/pulled 7 calves. 4 were out of DF, 2 out of the a Brangus bull, and 1 out of the Gelbvieh I purchased. The one was breach and upside down. Not exactly what I would call "all these problems". I made the TMW comment once on one particular animal. "Keep harping" would insinuate multiple comments, multiple times. As many have told you, TMW in the states will get you docked severly. Both in the showring and at the salebarn. Im a huge fan of your cattle evalution skills, heck I drink yours and doc harris' words for breakfast. I'd like to see better udders on some of the cows you posted, but phenotypically, they're as good as any Ive seen.