- Sep 2, 2007
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- North Central Montana
northtexas":49jyoweq said:In previous posts you have said that King Ten daughters were among the best to ever walk your ranch's pastures but you said his sons were disappointments.
1. What about them disappointed you.
2. Did any of these sons produce daughters similar to King Ten's (ie: were they maternal bulls even if their performance was disappointing)
3. Did these daughters (King Ten daughters) produce herd bull quality sons?
Thanks for any reply.
I think the year we AI'd to K10 we got something like 8 calves by him out of some of our best cows (most of the cows would have been either daughters or grandaughters of our 50Y son). We had 3 females born and I think around 5 bulls born and all the bull calves were all steered at weaning - big birth weights, lots of white, and just kind of duds, no muscle expression, no performance, straight haired, not the kind we could have sold as range bulls. looking back we should have tried a son to see what kind of cows they might have made - but we really didn't appreciate the bull for several years after we used him - well, who really did.
the 3 daughters we got were tremendous - an old time hereford breeder from wisconsin bought two of them and did quite well with them. the best of the three was the 8501 cow i posted a picture of recently. it didn't matter what you bred her to it was the top female or bull every year and i think they were all herd bull quality (and i don't say that lightly - i would love to have semen on any one of the sons she raised here). we never did try any polled or L1 cross on the K10 cows, so i couldn't speak for that, but the canadian horned bulls we were using then crossed excellent. I've had several conversations with hereford breeders around me that used K10 and they all said the same thing, you had to cross him on a big old ruggid, looser made canadian cow to make it work
there was a huge difference between the direct sons and daughters that we got by him. back then we quit using K10 because of it. we have always wanted to use a bull that sired good females and sons and he just didn't do it. i would use a direct son today though just by going off of the females we had by him.