Kentucky Cattle Suck

[CreekAngus]

We've all seen the posts and comments, from a certain individual, that Kentucky cattle suck and the whole "woe is the cattle industry in Kentucky, I will make it better". So I decide to pull some sale reports from some "crap" operations from the Suck Cattle capital of the United States...the great state of Kentucky. These are all 2018 bull sale reports and I didn't grab all of the breeders I could have. I was actually quite surprised by the amount of production sales put on by individual farms, more than I thought there would be.

Brand View - $4,000 average, top of $5,000
Boyd - $5,600 average, top of $57,500 (Geez not 1.5 mil, they must really suck)
Woodall - $3,300, top of $4,600
Oak Hollow - $3,700, top of $5,500
Pleasant Hill - $4750, top of $20,000 (slackers, probably fed moldy hay)
Rock Ridge - $2,500, top of $9,500
************* - no sale, kind of shocking, because with all that top of line SAV genetics and with all the other Angus breeders feeding moldy hay and not knowing how to breed, they should of had the top sale in 2018.

Understand this is all tongue in cheek.

 

[Son of Butch]

Certainly. (read in voice of Curly of 3 stooges)

A. Kentucky cattle suck.
Therefore
B. Buyers of Kentucky cattle are brain dead.

Sure... I can follow that line of thought.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

We bought bulls at Rock Ridge in 2012 and 2013. No complaints. Loved our Bismarck bull from 2012.

Bought 3 this past fall at Deer Valley Farm nearer to my home here in Tennessee mainly because I can be to their place in less than 90 minutes and they ship free to your farm. A very large producer in the next county was at the Deer Valley sale and he bought 6 bulls. I know this only because the truck that brought our 3 had just dropped off his 6.

I'm growing weary of this Kentucky cattle bashing myself but I realize this thread is in jest.

 

[True Grit Farms]

We bought bulls at Rock Ridge in 2012 and 2013. No complaints. Loved our Bismarck bull from 2012.

Bought 3 this past fall at Deer Valley Farm nearer to my home here in Tennessee mainly because I can be to their place in less than 90 minutes and they ship free to your farm. A very large producer in the next county was at the Deer Valley sale and he bought 6 bulls. I know this only because the truck that brought our 3 had just dropped off his 6.

I'm growing weary of this Kentucky cattle bashing myself but I realize this thread is in jest.

Bashing cattle in general is bad for US in the beef business. We have enough folks on the outside trying their best to make US look bad.

 

[callmefence]

Looks like the report from a Brahma cow sale in South Texas.

 

[CreekAngus]

I hope you all know I wrote the first post, tongue in cheek. It appears the Angus and Cattle biz in Kentucky is alive and well. I don't think a single bull will be sold in WA or OR for over $50,000 much less $20,000.

 

[Dave]

With all these terrible cattle In Kentucky I decided to look at the USDA Market report to see how cheap they are. After all sorry cattle aren't worth as much as good cattle. I was surprised to find that the USDA reports on 30 different sales. Washington and Oregon only have 11 sales combined. The prices are pretty much what we have in the PNW. It would be nice if they were higher but we can't all be Nebraska.

SV_LS145
Frankfort, KY Monday Mar 4, 2019 USDA-KY Dept of Ag Market News

Kentucky Weekly Livestock Summary for the week of February 25-March 2, 2019

Receipts: 21,418 Last Week 14,238 Last Year 19,260

Compared to last week feeder steers and heifers were mostly 2.00-4.00 higher, with
some instances of 5.00-7.00 higher on lightweight calves. Good to very good demand
was noted for feeder classes, and very good demand was noted on weaned and
vaccinated groups. Throughout the majority of the week as weather became much more
tolerable to livestock and producers both, movement accelerated and trade remained
active.
Slaughter cows and bulls were mostly 2.00-4.00 higher with good demand and active
trade.

In the feeder supply, steers made up approximately 37 percent and heifers,
approximately 44 percent. Feeder cattle over 600 lbs totaled approximately
45 percent.

Slaughter Cows Breakers 75-80
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
20 905-1195 1145 44.00-65.00 54.90
99 1220-1585 1377 46.00-68.00 57.75
62 1210-1595 1426 57.00-70.00 63.37 High Dressing
9 1295-1565 1394 43.50-58.50 50.69 Low Dressing
23 1605-1930 1734 46.50-69.00 59.43
16 1605-1810 1695 57.00-68.50 63.38 High Dressing

Slaughter Cows Boners 80-85
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
112 890-1195 1096 39.00-67.00 53.27
41 935-1180 1101 48.00-70.00 60.62 High Dressing
40 910-1195 1114 29.00-54.50 44.56 Low Dressing
164 1200-1640 1310 35.00-66.00 55.23
79 1210-1590 1328 44.00-74.50 62.05 High Dressing
25 1200-1570 1291 35.00-59.50 44.77 Low Dressing

Slaughter Cows Lean 85-90
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
13 760-845 814 22.00-50.00 34.02 Low Dressing
112 850-1195 1029 29.00-62.00 46.38
42 885-1145 1034 43.00-63.00 54.13 High Dressing
113 850-1195 1018 22.00-50.00 38.08 Low Dressing
31 1200-1445 1305 41.00-63.50 52.41
6 1215-1380 1287 57.00-65.00 59.61 High Dressing
5 1290-1405 1340 33.00-45.00 39.85 Low Dressing

Slaughter Bulls Y.G. 1-2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
28 1000-1480 1255 66.50-86.00 77.88
12 1075-1480 1360 82.00-95.00 87.35 High Dressing
14 1135-1440 1287 50.00-79.00 67.65 Low Dressing
53 1535-2470 1820 64.50-90.00 77.78
45 1505-2275 1860 71.50-98.00 86.65 High Dressing
22 1505-2250 1695 55.00-81.50 70.33 Low Dressing

Feeder Steers Medium and Large 1-2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
15 260-295 277 148.00-187.50 173.28
8 275 275 172.00 172.00 Thin Fleshed
58 305-347 323 137.50-180.00 160.67
16 314-347 330 172.00-182.69 177.21 Value Added
102 350-398 374 140.00-183.00 164.74
11 355-385 374 171.00-175.00 172.45 Fancy
44 360-399 382 170.00-186.00 177.76 Value Added
180 400-448 427 140.00-176.00 160.39
7 400-448 426 170.00-186.00 174.21 Fancy
54 400-445 418 161.00-186.00 171.45 Value Added
234 450-497 477 125.00-166.00 158.12
10 481-495 485 169.00-174.00 171.80 Fancy
84 452-496 470 160.00-178.48 165.90 Value Added
285 500-547 522 137.00-169.00 154.25
8 510-537 522 150.00-153.00 151.86 Fancy
216 500-547 525 154.00-168.00 164.43 Value Added
383 550-596 571 130.00-163.00 149.13
171 551-597 586 149.00-161.49 155.23 Value Added
396 600-648 623 127.00-157.00 143.29
202 601-648 624 143.00-157.00 149.90 Value Added
248 650-698 674 127.00-147.00 139.28
257 650-697 680 140.00-154.00 146.27 Value Added
287 700-746 728 115.00-142.00 134.97
395 700-749 724 136.00-145.70 142.08 Value Added
165 750-795 767 120.00-142.00 133.73
213 753-799 773 133.50-141.00 137.58 Value Added
220 800-846 817 120.00-136.40 131.18
66 804 804 144.50 144.50 Fancy
344 807-838 826 130.00-141.75 135.08 Value Added
214 860-895 866 120.00-136.50 134.34
58 850 850 139.85 139.85 Fancy
143 900-945 927 110.00-132.90 126.24
116 900-908 903 125.00-131.90 128.78 Value Added
14 960-962 962 115.00-121.00 117.36
52 1059-1092 1060 94.00-126.80 125.50

Feeder Steers Medium and Large 2-3
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
13 250-290 273 125.00-173.00 148.76
9 303-345 329 130.00-155.00 141.84
15 357-395 374 137.50-160.00 148.72
17 405-445 426 127.50-159.00 143.43
48 450-497 474 122.00-153.00 143.39
43 504-545 520 117.50-153.00 136.58
37 550-598 576 99.00-157.00 137.08
30 605-645 627 115.00-139.00 125.82
20 650-685 666 111.00-130.00 125.67
35 700-747 722 111.00-129.00 121.63
10 750-785 775 106.00-120.00 116.51

Feeder Holstein Steers Large 3
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
19 310-334 325 95.00-97.00 96.30
24 450-497 486 72.00-94.00 77.38
10 553-598 578 75.00-90.00 87.35
8 605-647 622 77.00-88.50 85.02
85 636 636 94.75 94.75 Value Added
15 665-690 673 70.00-88.50 85.96
21 724 724 87.00 87.00

Feeder Bulls Medium and Large 1-2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
9 215-240 231 110.00-177.00 149.04
32 255-298 276 140.00-173.00 153.09
81 300-348 323 135.00-184.00 160.56
177 350-398 376 140.00-173.00 159.50
213 400-448 429 129.00-175.00 155.46
8 405-430 412 156.00-185.00 162.91 Fancy
16 410-428 419 160.00-180.00 167.95 Value Added
189 450-499 474 130.00-172.50 151.47
230 500-549 519 131.00-158.00 145.15
178 550-596 571 127.00-157.00 139.20
113 605-647 626 122.00-144.00 131.45
70 650-695 669 118.00-135.00 124.75
68 704-745 719 107.00-130.00 116.97
23 755-795 777 106.00-120.00 111.19
17 800-810 808 100.00-108.00 101.38

Feeder Bulls Medium and Large 2-3
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
18 250-290 275 122.50-142.50 134.59
31 300-340 325 111.00-153.00 138.65
51 350-395 369 125.00-162.00 149.09
63 400-448 432 119.00-155.00 141.76
68 450-496 474 120.00-150.00 139.83
51 500-548 525 115.00-140.00 132.05
50 550-596 576 110.00-137.00 128.88
26 610-645 627 92.00-128.50 119.44
43 650-698 671 91.00-122.00 117.61
7 705-745 720 100.00-112.00 108.46
8 760-795 771 94.00-117.00 108.90
7 800-835 817 93.00-118.00 98.92

Feeder Heifers Large 1
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
7 500-520 514 122.00-133.00 125.26

Feeder Heifers Medium and Large 1-2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
14 205-245 225 126.00-153.00 142.91
80 250-297 276 110.00-156.50 139.77
157 300-347 329 118.00-158.00 143.35
9 331-347 335 142.00-158.00 154.31 Value Added
336 350-398 374 124.00-161.00 144.19
21 350-390 370 141.00-162.00 145.79 Fancy
396 400-448 428 117.00-150.00 140.46
62 400-447 418 136.00-157.81 151.00 Value Added
534 450-499 476 119.00-149.00 139.05
56 467-487 474 134.50-154.04 146.69 Value Added
555 500-549 525 119.00-147.00 133.71
96 501-549 523 132.00-147.24 142.95 Value Added
460 550-597 572 115.00-140.00 131.08
180 554-595 570 126.50-147.50 137.82 Value Added
360 600-649 626 113.00-135.00 126.09
162 600-644 614 125.00-139.00 134.12 Value Added
213 650-698 675 108.00-135.00 124.19
472 650-698 681 123.50-139.85 133.46 Value Added
199 700-748 723 99.00-125.00 120.37
113 702-748 728 119.00-133.00 126.26 Value Added
55 750-798 774 91.00-122.00 112.27
41 800-833 819 97.00-119.00 113.75
12 809 809 122.00 122.00 Value Added
38 850 850 119.50 119.50 Value Added

Feeder Heifers Medium and Large 2-3
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
9 200-247 234 117.50-145.00 128.25
38 255-295 270 107.50-145.00 128.23
55 300-345 322 100.00-146.00 127.98
82 350-395 375 120.00-148.00 137.19
100 400-448 424 115.00-142.00 132.93
72 450-497 474 112.50-139.50 132.84
54 500-547 524 91.00-132.00 124.04
79 550-598 575 109.00-130.00 122.12
57 600-645 624 96.00-124.00 116.47
60 650-695 671 94.00-123.00 114.58
39 700-741 717 81.00-113.94 108.13
14 750-795 765 86.00-111.00 105.35

Source: USDA-KY Dept of Ag Market News Service, Frankfort, KY
Market News Staff, 502-782-4139
www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/SV_LS145.txt

 

[sim.-ang.king]

We've all seen the posts and comments, from a certain individual, that Kentucky cattle suck and the whole "woe is the cattle industry in Kentucky, I will make it better". So I decide to pull some sale reports from some "crap" operations from the Suck Cattle capital of the United States...the great state of Kentucky. These are all 2018 bull sale reports and I didn't grab all of the breeders I could have. I was actually quite surprised by the amount of production sales put on by individual farms, more than I thought there would be.

Brand View - $4,000 average, top of $5,000
Boyd - $5,600 average, top of $57,500 (Geez not 1.5 mil, they must really suck)
Woodall - $3,300, top of $4,600
Oak Hollow - $3,700, top of $5,500
Pleasant Hill - $4750, top of $20,000 (slackers, probably fed moldy hay)
Rock Ridge - $2,500, top of $9,500
************* - no sale, kind of shocking, because with all that top of line SAV genetics and with all the other Angus breeders feeding moldy hay and not knowing how to breed, they should of had the top sale in 2018.

Understand this is all tongue in cheek.

So I guess Boyd is the only good breeder in Ken-tuck since their average was higher than $5000.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

We've all seen the posts and comments, from a certain individual, that Kentucky cattle suck and the whole "woe is the cattle industry in Kentucky, I will make it better". So I decide to pull some sale reports from some "crap" operations from the Suck Cattle capital of the United States...the great state of Kentucky. These are all 2018 bull sale reports and I didn't grab all of the breeders I could have. I was actually quite surprised by the amount of production sales put on by individual farms, more than I thought there would be.

Brand View - $4,000 average, top of $5,000
Boyd - $5,600 average, top of $57,500 (Geez not 1.5 mil, they must really suck)
Woodall - $3,300, top of $4,600
Oak Hollow - $3,700, top of $5,500
Pleasant Hill - $4750, top of $20,000 (slackers, probably fed moldy hay)
Rock Ridge - $2,500, top of $9,500
************* - no sale, kind of shocking, because with all that top of line SAV genetics and with all the other Angus breeders feeding moldy hay and not knowing how to breed, they should of had the top sale in 2018.

Understand this is all tongue in cheek.

So I guess Boyd is the only good breeder in Ken-tuck since their average was higher than $5000.

No, they're the best because they have the highest selling bull in the state. Silly guy.

 

[CattleMan1920]

Hey Creek,

Have you ever heard of selling private treaty right off the farm?

You really are getting bent out of shape and getting upset when what I say can be backed up.

I'm pretty sure Angus producers in Kentucky would feel better if they could get the same prices as those out west or up north. Right or wrong?

If I had come on here and said "Kentucky cattle are the finest cattle in the entire United States" you guys would have laughed so hard you would have pizzed your pants. You know darn well they leave much to be desired. I'm just saying what other registered producers actually think but wouldn't dare say.

Let's just be delusional and leave it at that.

From here on out, let's say this:

Kentucky cattle lead the pack in genetics.
Kentucky cattle are highly desired by buyers around the country
Kentucky cattle make up the overwhelming majority of AI studs
Kentucky cattle are known for being exceptionally healthy and they ALWAYS have legit health records, never falsified by a vet, never!
Kentucky leads the country in beef that scores prime
Producers are making huge profits from their cattle operations in Kentucky
100+ head herds are common in Kentucky

Does that sound better for everyone?

We will stick to the statements above moving forward, ok?

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Boy, someone sure is getting bent out of shape over an internet thread.

 

[CreekAngus]

Raising cattle in the great communist state of Washington, I don't think I would ever openly criticize the beef industry in my own state or county. Hopefully I end up doing a lot of business with these people. I sure heck am not going to put seed stock producers on blast when I myself haven't come close to attaining their success.

 

[CattleMan1920]

Raising cattle in the great communist state of Washington, I don't think I would ever openly criticize the beef industry in my own state or county. Hopefully I end up doing a lot of business with these people. I sure heck am not going to put seed stock producers on blast when I myself haven't come close to attaining their success.

Some things have to be addressed to move ahead. Nobody improves when they aren't truthful with themselves. I don't sugarcoat.

I've said positive things about the other Angus producers here, I'm not sure what you are speaking of.

How do you define success? Is it only measured by money?

 

[Luckiamute]

I hope you all know I wrote the first post, tongue in cheek. It appears the Angus and Cattle biz in Kentucky is alive and well. I don't think a single bull will be sold in WA or OR for over $50,000 much less $20,000.

Kessler Angus in Milton-Freewater (Oregon) sold a son of Cowboy Up for $22,500 a few weeks ago. Hayter Ranch in Washington sold an Angus bull for, I think $21,000, last month. They may be few and far between, but there are some high-end sales here in the Pacific Northwest ... just none for $1.51 million!

 

[CreekAngus]

I hope you all know I wrote the first post, tongue in cheek. It appears the Angus and Cattle biz in Kentucky is alive and well. I don't think a single bull will be sold in WA or OR for over $50,000 much less $20,000.

Kessler Angus in Milton-Freewater (Oregon) sold a son of Cowboy Up for $22,500 a few weeks ago. Hayter Ranch in Washington sold an Angus bull for, I think $21,000, last month. They may be few and far between, but there are some high-end sales here in the Pacific Northwest ... just none for $1.51 million!

Had no idea Kessler had their sale and never heard of Hayter, looks like I need to pay attention. Thank you for the info.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Raising cattle in the great communist state of Washington, I don't think I would ever openly criticize the beef industry in my own state or county. Hopefully I end up doing a lot of business with these people. I sure heck am not going to put seed stock producers on blast when I myself haven't come close to attaining their success.

Some things have to be addressed to move ahead. Nobody improves when they aren't truthful with themselves. I don't sugarcoat.

I've said positive things about the other Angus producers here, I'm not sure what you are speaking of.

How do you define success? Is it only measured by money?

Not sugar coating works well in some discussions.. You just aint mastered it yet...and from the looks of it, don't see it happening..

 

[Gators Rule]

Some things have to be addressed to move ahead. Nobody improves when they aren't truthful with themselves. I don't sugarcoat.

I've said positive things about the other Angus producers here, I'm not sure what you are speaking of.

How do you define success? Is it only measured by money?
[/quote]
Not sugar coating works well in some discussions.. You just aint mastered it yet...and from the looks of it, don't see it happening..
[/quote]


and.....by saying one thing nice about a neighbor, does not give a person free rein to bad mouth the same neighbor in a public setting. In regards to the comment whereby "I don't sugarcoat", if you work on removing your own sugarcoat from your own self assessment. Then your opinion of yourself won't have any cavities.

 

[JMJ Farms]

Now they're killing cattle in Kentucky for no reason

 

[CattleMan1920]

Hence the reason I don't ever want show cattle.

I personally know a person who had a prized 7 figure Saddlebred horse murdered by some psycho several years back. A horrible death at that. Probably by a competitor.

Never underestimate people.

 

[Muddy]

Someone's being triggered lol