KCF B Southside or EC Angus w/o Final Answer

[Air gator]

Has anyone had calves out of ABS bull Southside?
Actually looking at easy calving Angus bull with solid SC &HP EPDs...without SAV Final Answer.
I like bulls with a little more set to back legs rather that straight-legged.
Thanks. ( I like KCF Absolute for bulls with SAV Final Answer).

 

[UG]

Connealy Thunder and Nichols Extra K205 are two bulls that come to mind. Both of these bulls are older and highly proven. Though I haven't used either bull to date, they are on my short list for this year. I have had several producers tell me that the daughters out of these two bulls are highly productive and last for many years. Also, I have noticed when I look through sale and semen catalogs that frequently these bulls are in the pedigrees; especially as maternal grandsires.

 

[Jake]

SAV Birthstone is a sure fire easy calving bull.

 

[Air gator]

Thanks for your help!

 

[gizmom]

Just curious why no Final Answer?

gizmom

 

[Air gator]

The heifers are out of Final Answer or his son. I have seen a lot of Sitz Upward crossed with Final Answer.

 

[DOC HARRIS]

The heifers are out of Final Answer or his son. I have seen a lot of Sitz Upward crossed with Final Answer.

. . . and that means "what" to you? Do you consider this factor a negative to your breeding program?

DOC HARRIS

 

[FourSquareFarm]

Air Gator....I have a heifer out of Southside that I purchased from the Bennetts (great folks by the way). She just had her first calf also a heifer in December. My Southside heifer had no problems calving unassisted 81 lbs bw (didn't have to touch her), produces lots of milk with good teat structure, and phenotypically is a beautiful animal. She eats some groceries, but I don't mind for the calf she is producing. So yes....I recommend him. I also got an Absolute bred heifer at the same time. She also had a heifer calf in December unassisted that is also doing great 65 lbs birth weight. Love them. I would say my Southside heifer has a little more frame/height than my Absolute heifer. Hope that helps.

 

[Air gator]

FourSquare, thanks for your feedback. I like KCF's program. I like Southside's fertility and Absolute caught my eye a while ago.
Doc... I really like Final Answer. He's earned his wings. I like the fact that he gained popularity because of his commercial heifers. I was just looking for bulls that would be an outcross.
I was thinking out loud about Upward and FA.
No one mentioned Upshot. Thanks.

 

[Jake]

FourSquare, thanks for your feedback. I like KCF's program. I like Southside's fertility and Absolute caught my eye a while ago.
Doc... I really like Final Answer. He's earned his wings. I like the fact that he gained popularity because of his commercial heifers. I was just looking for bulls that would be an outcross.
I was thinking out loud about Upward and FA.
No one mentioned Upshot. Thanks.

What do you as positives from upward other than popularity due to growth?

 

[Air gator]

He seems sound to me with a really straight top line. It may be like a chicken or an egg thing but Henrietta Pride seems to be in demand. Barstow Cash and some other nice animals have Upward in them. I think you have to pick your spots with him.

 

[Baldie Maker]

I guess it depends on which side of the angus fence you're on with regards to upward. I'm a little old fashioned in my thoughts as to what the breed should do for me so he nowhere near fits the bill for moderating frame, milk, and adding fleshing ability.
I kept a small portion of a mans registered cows last spring and summer on a rental farm, some conneally cows and some sitz cows were in the bunch; the upward cows liked to killed theirselves trying to milk like Holsteins with no sup in the middle of 8 weeks with no rain on ky31 in the middle of summer. On the flip side those upward calves really did grow; of the cows my favorite was CAR duke, she held her flesh; looked to weigh no more than 1400 and raised a respectable calf.
I see several high selling sitz Bulls coming out of upward females though.

 

[Air gator]

How big were the Upward cows? 1,400 sounds good to me.
I saw some embryos out of a cow with a milk EPD of 10.
I don't remember her WW or YW epds. I was worried that 10 was too low and CEM on the bull was low so I passed.