HerefordSire
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mnmtranching":1q68hzws said:Jeanne, You ought to agree with me more often :nod:
Even though I could be wrong sometimes.
But! I don't think so. :cowboy:
I am sure glad you two made up.
mnmtranching":1q68hzws said:Jeanne, You ought to agree with me more often :nod:
Even though I could be wrong sometimes.
But! I don't think so. :cowboy:
HerefordSire":1iofxdp4 said:I luv herfrds":1iofxdp4 said:If you want to start preg checking yourself start by doing open cows first.
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mnmtranching":htc1kkjp said:I think the best way to detect open cows is observation. No vet bills and it's easy. After the breeding season observe your herd. It's easy to tell when a cow comes around. She will gather tons of attention from her herd mates. Often hair will be rubbed off from all the riding. Shes OPEN! sell her or breed, hamburger whatever. You don't need a Vet to give you an opinion. :roll:
Brandonm22":nb51iwto said:HerefordSire":nb51iwto said:I luv herfrds":nb51iwto said:If you want to start preg checking yourself start by doing open cows first.
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She is right though. It will give you the feel for open cows and you can't lose a pregnancy by being too rough fiddling around with a cow that has nothing too lose.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":171nwtiu said:Someone else might know this, I really don't - if a cow is cystic, do they STAY cystic all year??
And some cows that are cystic keep coming into heat like every 10-15 days.
Like I said, it's not for everyone.
With the non cyclers you usually have to use prostaglandin as well as gnrh to get them cycling again for some reason gnrh usually does not do the trick alone.. :? ..dun":2sbkc6qx said:Jeanne - Simme Valley":2sbkc6qx said:Someone else might know this, I really don't - if a cow is cystic, do they STAY cystic all year??
And some cows that are cystic keep coming into heat like every 10-15 days.
Like I said, it's not for everyone.
It's the typical deal, some do some don;t. I think that the cystic p[roblem with some cycling every 2 weeks and others never cycling may have to do with at what point they become cystic. I've seen a few cows that never cycled after calfing and stayed systic others that had started cycling then went cystic. The latter ones are the ones that keep coming in. GNRh usually will solve either problem. But with the non-cyclers you have to KNOW they haven;t cycled to know to give the shot.
HerefordSire":37e7x1kr said:Brandonm22":37e7x1kr said:She is right though. It will give you the feel for open cows and you can't lose a pregnancy by being too rough fiddling around with a cow that has nothing too lose.
If you knew which ones were open, there wouldn't be a need to preg check. Grab some coffee and come back. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
hillsdown":7xq1r7sm said:HerefordSire":7xq1r7sm said:Brandonm22":7xq1r7sm said:She is right though. It will give you the feel for open cows and you can't lose a pregnancy by being too rough fiddling around with a cow that has nothing too lose.
If you knew which ones were open, there wouldn't be a need to preg check. Grab some coffee and come back. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The logic is very straight forward.......Same reason as why you learn to AI on cull cows...
If you want to start preg checking yourself start by doing open cows first.
Unless a neighbor's bull hops a fence while you are working. Happened to me. The bull disappeared and noone ever saw him again.Brandonm22":19rduf26 said:Unless you run the bull with the cows 12 months a year you know none of the cows are bred before you turn loose the bulls or breed AI.
The bull disappeared and noone ever saw him again.
regolith":3jax4sf5 said:In my experience preg-checking the whole herd in a normal year results in 1 - 2% 'surprises'.
For most dairy farmers out here, the combination of finding those in-calf but cycling/open but not cycling cows and getting reasonably accurate dating makes the preg-check worthwhile.
I don't have the vet do my whole herd, because I don't think it does (and I have a short breeding season and dry the cows off well ahead of the first one calving). I do preg-check every cow that *ever* gives the slightest indication she might not be in-calf. Which includes lifting her head from grazing and looking at another cow who happens to be on-heat.
This year the dry spell that lasted right through mating broke four weeks before I had the vet booked in for PDs. By close observation, I thought I had about 6 cows open. Once the rain came 'non-cycling' cows started showing heat at the rate of about two a week :cry2:
The bull disappeared and noone ever saw him again.
Are you sure there was such a bull, HS? A farmer I worked for would have called that an immaculate conception.
Several of his cows had 'em. It was a very blessed herd.
""by HerefordSire on Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:38 am
mnmtranching wrote:
I think the best way to detect open cows is observation. No vet bills and it's easy. After the breeding season observe your herd. It's easy to tell when a cow comes around. She will gather tons of attention from her herd mates. Often hair will be rubbed off from all the riding. Shes OPEN! sell her or breed, hamburger whatever. You don't need a Vet to give you an opinion.
That is one great post. I have been looking and looking for posts like this one and they are very rare. You are the type of person I would want running my operation. The cost of vet house calls are a luxury for people with nice profit pads or those with allot of cash.""
Missy":1m4rco8v said:Ok so because i have a vet test my cows,i have a nice profit pad or allot of cash??? Oh please :roll:
Profit:HerefordSire":f2qfi1oa said:not all ranchers are after profit.[/i]
angie":1oi1pcwi said:Profit:HerefordSire":1oi1pcwi said:not all ranchers are after profit.[/i]
prof·it
n. 1. An advantageous gain or return; benefit.
All ranchers, all people mentally healthy are after profit.
Profit is not always defined in terms of money.