Had a nice thing happen the other day...

[options]

Boy, how did I miss this thread?

The issue is philosophical. The notion of fairness. Options, you said you make a good living. I resent that. You are obviously gouging consumers like me. You make more money than I do, and your greed takes advantage of me. If you were to be honest and fair and caring, you would send me a check - "give something back". PM me for an address.

To really get the fairness thing going, we need a government agency to set prices and wages. Socialism/communism is the way to go!

I charge market value and you want me to send you a check? Maybe you need to get some money out of the fella charging 65% above market value first.

 

[options]

how do ya know whos got gut filled cattle....

SRBeef told us he weighs cattle with gut fill read it for yourself.

 

[options]

Man I got to admit, Options, you are some kind of salesman. Did a search on Dakota City. Found one in Neb., population 1821, medium income $51,390. Found another in Iowa, population 911, income $33,977. Another showed up in Minn., population 320, income $62,689. May be others, these were the easiest. To sell at private treaty 300 head, supply a processor 400 head, and only need to put the market price in the local paper to inform your buyers how honest your are, is beyond amazing. Way, way, way, beyond amazing. You may be doing a good job raising cattle, but you missed your calling. gs

I don't put my price in the local paper. The local paper lists the dressed beef price in the commodities section along with all the other markets. Of course hooby boys don't understand market values anyway so why look.

 

[options]

SR beef, congrats on a job well done. I hope you get many more customers to fill orders, and that your farm is blessed by this.

Do you congratulate the packer on a job well done as well? They are selling the same product with lots more transportation costs than SRBeef.

No I bet if I look hard enough I could find where you have bad mouthed the packer.

 

[rockridgecattle]

No I bet if I look hard enough I could find where you have bad mouthed the packer.

go ahead, knock yourself out, I have naught to hide



I am all for "value added" which is what Sr beef is doing to make his farm more profitable. And in the end, it's one more farm doing something to make itself sustainable.

 

[options]

go ahead, knock yourself out, I have naught to hide

Good for you maybe you understand the complexities of the industry.

 

[rockridgecattle]

Good for you maybe you understand the complexities of the industry.

huh?

 

[options]

Good for you maybe you understand the complexities of the industry.

huh?

okay maybe not.

 

[rockridgecattle]

Good for you maybe you understand the complexities of the industry.

huh?

okay maybe not.

Want to talk in riddles go ahead...you like to say things out of left field trying to keep your opponents off guard.
me, I would rather an intelligent discussion. And yes i do understand the complexities of the industry. I think alot of us do. I question if you understand the reality of consumerism and capitalism and the need for a rancher/farmer to keep the farm sustanable? Or if you understand the fact that the average North American...Canada included feel the need to buy local, especially food. The fact that consumers are more than willing to pay a little extra if they know where it is sourced from and if it is local. I experience that every day when i sell my product at farmers markets and local sales.

 

[options]

Want to talk in riddles go ahead...you like to say things out of left field trying to keep your opponents off guard.
me, I would rather an intelligent discussion. And yes i do understand the complexities of the industry. I think alot of us do. I question if you understand the reality of consumerism and capitalism and the need for a rancher/farmer to keep the farm sustanable? Or if you understand the fact that the average North American...Canada included feel the need to buy local, especially food. The fact that consumers are more than willing to pay a little extra if they know where it is sourced from and if it is local. I experience that every day when i sell my product at farmers markets and local sales.

I commended you for maybe understanding the complexities of the industry after you claimed to never have bad mouthed the packing industry. But then it seemed you had no idea what I spoke of so maybe you didn't understand the complexities of the industry you are just not the complaining type. I'm really not sure. Your in Canada I know nothing of your market situation. Here if you can't make a profit at the current market of $85 the problem is PPM.

 

[rockridgecattle]

Want to talk in riddles go ahead...you like to say things out of left field trying to keep your opponents off guard.
me, I would rather an intelligent discussion. And yes i do understand the complexities of the industry. I think alot of us do. I question if you understand the reality of consumerism and capitalism and the need for a rancher/farmer to keep the farm sustanable? Or if you understand the fact that the average North American...Canada included feel the need to buy local, especially food. The fact that consumers are more than willing to pay a little extra if they know where it is sourced from and if it is local. I experience that every day when i sell my product at farmers markets and local sales.

I commended you for maybe understanding the complexities of the industry after you claimed to never have bad mouthed the packing industry. But then it seemed you had no idea what I spoke of so maybe you didn't understand the complexities of the industry you are just not the complaining type. I'm really not sure. Your in Canada I know nothing of your market situation. Here if you can't make a profit at the current market of $85 the problem is PPM.

First, I am not sure how i got sucked into your deluded game, but i am praying it never happens again

second i never said that i have never claimed to not bad mouth the packing industy, i believe i said knock your self out in finding where i did, I have nothing to hide.

third, PPM?

forth $85.00 is that per hundred weight? So then .85cents a pound? If that is true then
a. you are on grass all year
b. all you get are bull calves when you calve
c. all your calf wean weights are over 575 pounds each
d. you provide no vet care like vaccinations or deworming
e. you have the live and let die method of ranching and you do not count your death losses in your economic losses
f.the .85cents does not include yours, the farmer O/O labour


In the prairie provinces of Canada, it cost us $485 (2007-08 values pre high fuel and fertlizer) per cow to keep her year round. This does not include labour, depreciation, or loan payment.
If this were included a calf would have to bring in near $700 to keep that one cow.

I think you need to go back to the paper and pencil and grab a huge eraser and key in the expenses you missed. Like the cost to run a tractor to put up hay, the cost of fertilizer, the cost of machinery usage...ie rakes, mowers, mower conditoners, balers, cost to haul the hay home, shop expenses, hydro, vet costs, death losses, breeding stock, like bulls, fuel, fertilizer, accounting expense, office expenses, feed, seed expense, combining expense, fencing, and anything else associated with cow/calf ops.

 

[options]

First, I am not sure how i got sucked into your deluded game, but i am praying it never happens again

second i never said that i have never claimed to not bad mouth the packing industy, i believe i said knock your self out in finding where i did, I have nothing to hide.

third, PPM?

forth $85.00 is that per hundred weight? So then .85cents a pound? If that is true then
a. you are on grass all year
b. all you get are bull calves when you calve
c. all your calf wean weights are over 575 pounds each
d. you provide no vet care like vaccinations or deworming
e. you have the live and let die method of ranching and you do not count your death losses in your economic losses
f.the .85cents does not include yours, the farmer O/O labour


In the prairie provinces of Canada, it cost us $485 (2007-08 values pre high fuel and fertlizer) per cow to keep her year round. This does not include labour, depreciation, or loan payment.
If this were included a calf would have to bring in near $700 to keep that one cow.

I think you need to go back to the paper and pencil and grab a huge eraser and key in the expenses you missed. Like the cost to run a tractor to put up hay, the cost of fertilizer, the cost of machinery usage...ie rakes, mowers, mower conditoners, balers, cost to haul the hay home, shop expenses, hydro, vet costs, death losses, breeding stock, like bulls, fuel, fertilizer, accounting expense, office expenses, feed, seed expense, combining expense, fencing, and anything else associated with cow/calf ops.

First: Thank you for getting sucked in I am getting tired of reading the my calf bellars alot, do cattle need water everyday, will a donkey defend my cows from vampires posts.

Second: So you do bash the packer but congratulate srbeef?

Third: P!SS POOR MANAGEMENT .

Fourth: No paper and pen are needed I own feedlots I make plenty of profit. Shame on you for trying to sell old cows as fed cattle. After all that is the only type of animal this entire topic is centered on.

 

[rockridgecattle]

Fourth: No paper and pen are needed I own feedlots I make plenty of profit. Shame on you for trying to sell old cows as fed cattle. After all that is the only type of animal this entire topic is centered on.

Okay I reiterate...left field for keeping your "opponents " of guard. Where in the hell did that come from?

 

[LimiMan]

Options, how much does your feed cost per ton, what weights do you sale at or butcher? What weights do you buy at?

 

[options]

Options, how much does your feed cost per ton, what weights do you sale at or butcher? What weights do you buy at?

Send me your address I will send you a calculator. I buy whatever weight is most profitable that day.

 

[LimiMan]

Options, how much does your feed cost per ton, what weights do you sale at or butcher? What weights do you buy at?

Send me your address I will send you a calculator. I buy whatever weight is most profitable that day.

:lol: ... Thats what I thought

 

[options]

Fourth: No paper and pen are needed I own feedlots I make plenty of profit. Shame on you for trying to sell old cows as fed cattle. After all that is the only type of animal this entire topic is centered on.

Okay I reiterate...left field for keeping your "opponents " of guard. Where in the be nice did that come from?

Read what you typed behind fourth. This entire topic is about the pricing of live fed cattle. Not cows.

 

[mwj]

Options, you said your cost of gain was 0.52 per pound, but wouldn't tell anyone your ration. Why? Afraid of competition? I thought your stated goal was to provide the consumer with cheap beef and save the cattle industry. Maybe if SRBeef had your ration, he could quit robbing people and contribute to the goverment's cheap food policies like you do. gs

That a boy blame the government. Maybe after srbeef has decades of feeding cattle under his belt he can be profitable selling at market value instead of 65% above it. For now he is selling gut filled live cattle at 65% above market to unsuspecting retail beef buyers. Keep patting him on the back it only shows how the rest of you conduct business as well. srbeef makes those crooked packers look like angels.

I would say that mkt. price (value) is what the buyer will pay and the seller will take. It seems that is what the OP and you both receive for your fed cattle. If not would you please post who determines the mkt. price and where it can be found.

Options you never answered the question of who determines the value of the beef being sold since we all realise the price varies greatly.

 

[options]

Options, how much does your feed cost per ton, what weights do you sale at or butcher? What weights do you buy at?

Send me your address I will send you a calculator. I buy whatever weight is most profitable that day.

:lol: ... Thats what I thought

So why then did you ask.

 

[rockridgecattle]

i never wrote anything in that post about selling cows please post where...
If we sell old cows, they do not even go through the sale barn they go direct to the slaughter house sold rail grade