Had a nice thing happen the other day...

[options]

George like I said my opinion of you has fallen dramatically. You know better than to compare breeding stock to fed cattle. Breeding age heifers have more than one use fed cattle do not.

I stand up for what I consider is right and just let people's opinions of me fall where they may, options. I'm too old and set in my ways to change much. Personally, I think spending $200 or more to see a football game or concert in person is insane, but I certainly don't denigrate the promoter for getting as much as he can get from the market.

Breeding heifers, freezer beef, or concert tickets - we're still talking supply, demand, and promotion. You're just too close to this particular subject - or too stubborn - to see that it's really all the same.

George

George you have compared different pricing of breeding stock to different pricing of fed cattle. Not much you can say after that.

 

[Frankie]

[Well I guees the key word is want he wants it to be all homegrown and it is not. His beef is no different from anybody else who sells beef. Keep trying Frankie sometime you might find something that doesn't get shot out of the sky so fast.

ROTFL!

 

[options]

[Well I guees the key word is want he wants it to be all homegrown and it is not. His beef is no different from anybody else who sells beef. Keep trying Frankie sometime you might find something that doesn't get shot out of the sky so fast.

ROTFL!

Mee too ROTFL so third grade. Then again I've been told you make a fool of yourself for so long then you lock em down.

 

[Herefords.US]

His beef is no different from anybody else who sells beef.

And you KNOW this - how? Surely, you are not so stubborn that you won't admit that all beef is not the same!

George

 

[options]

His beef is no different from anybody else who sells beef.

And you KNOW this - how? Surely, you are not so stubborn that you won't admit that all beef is not the same!

George

Oh no I never said all beef is the same. I have said not everybody raises the best beef.

 

[options]

I need to go feed cattle employees get Sat afternoons off. I will be back later.

 

[Herefords.US]

His beef is no different from anybody else who sells beef.

And you KNOW this - how? Surely, you are not so stubborn that you won't admit that all beef is not the same!

George

Oh no I never said all beef is the same. I have said not everybody raises the best beef.

I think before you call a person unethical (essentially calling him a crook) you should at least have had the experience of ACTUALLY tasting the product that he's produced before you can just flippantly deem it "no different from anybody elses" - since you admit that all beef isn't the same.

SRBeef's beef product might be like honey made from clover or potatoes grown in the San Luis Valley in Colorado. I gladly pay a premium for either of those products because I think they taste better, yet I've met a lot of people who'll say "Honey is honey" and "Potatoes are potatoes"!

George

 

[AngusLimoX]

George,


Options is an idiot we have already all figured that out. Why waste your breath on him?

No, you and your father (TTCLM) are idiots.

Options is an established businessman in the beef industry.

My freezer beef gets the same positive ( out of this world ) comments from friends and family.
The rest of the same crop goes to the barn.

Maybe I should lie, gouge my friends and hurt the industry.

 

[gberry]

Options, when you buy your calves, do you take the producers cost of production into account, or do you just pay the minimum price he or the auction will agree to? Is it unethical for a cow calf producer to make as much as he can on his calves? After all, the cost of production can vary vastly between operations. I just hate those unethical cow calf producers with a cost of production of $.40 per pound that think their calves are worth just as much as the producers calves that were raised with a cost of $.80 per pound. Don't you?

 

[chippie]

SRBeef! Did you think that your thread would have over 2600 views and run 10 pages?

I admit that options has gotten my dander up in the past, but I think that Frankie may be misunderstanding the definition of "arm's length transaction."

If options is the one doing business with the buyer (not the butcher) he is conducting "arm's length transactions."

A sale on the open market between a willing buyer and a willing seller, neither of whom is related to or under abnormal pressure from the other.
http://www.pcpao.org/glossary_contents.html

An arm's length transaction can be between friends or strangers. Just not between family or business partners. However if the butcher is selling the meat for options, it is not an "arm's length transaction".

YMMV.

 

[plumber_greg]

Options, you said your cost of gain was 0.52 per pound, but wouldn't tell anyone your ration. Why? Afraid of competition? I thought your stated goal was to provide the consumer with cheap beef and save the cattle industry. Maybe if SRBeef had your ration, he could quit robbing people and contribute to the goverment's cheap food policies like you do. gs

 

[options]

Options, when you buy your calves, do you take the producers cost of production into account, or do you just pay the minimum price he or the auction will agree to? Is it unethical for a cow calf producer to make as much as he can on his calves? After all, the cost of production can vary vastly between operations. I just hate those unethical cow calf producers with a cost of production of $.40 per pound that think their calves are worth just as much as the producers calves that were raised with a cost of $.80 per pound. Don't you?

I pay market value.

 

[options]

Options, you said your cost of gain was 0.52 per pound, but wouldn't tell anyone your ration. Why? Afraid of competition? I thought your stated goal was to provide the consumer with cheap beef and save the cattle industry. Maybe if SRBeef had your ration, he could quit robbing people and contribute to the goverment's cheap food policies like you do. gs

That a boy blame the government. Maybe after srbeef has decades of feeding cattle under his belt he can be profitable selling at market value instead of 65% above it. For now he is selling gut filled live cattle at 65% above market to unsuspecting retail beef buyers. Keep patting him on the back it only shows how the rest of you conduct business as well. srbeef makes those crooked packers look like angels.

 

[djinwa]

Boy, how did I miss this thread?

The issue is philosophical. The notion of fairness. Options, you said you make a good living. I resent that. You are obviously gouging consumers like me. You make more money than I do, and your greed takes advantage of me. If you were to be honest and fair and caring, you would send me a check - "give something back". PM me for an address.

To really get the fairness thing going, we need a government agency to set prices and wages. Socialism/communism is the way to go!

 

[mwj]

Options, you said your cost of gain was 0.52 per pound, but wouldn't tell anyone your ration. Why? Afraid of competition? I thought your stated goal was to provide the consumer with cheap beef and save the cattle industry. Maybe if SRBeef had your ration, he could quit robbing people and contribute to the goverment's cheap food policies like you do. gs

That a boy blame the government. Maybe after srbeef has decades of feeding cattle under his belt he can be profitable selling at market value instead of 65% above it. For now he is selling gut filled live cattle at 65% above market to unsuspecting retail beef buyers. Keep patting him on the back it only shows how the rest of you conduct business as well. srbeef makes those crooked packers look like angels.

I would say that mkt. price (value) is what the buyer will pay and the seller will take. It seems that is what the OP and you both receive for your fed cattle. If not would you please post who determines the mkt. price and where it can be found.

 

[dieselbeef]

anyone bught gold or a diamond lateley? dont take much human time to make one but a lotta time to process. pay out the butt for a nice diamond...

its a rock...whats it worth..whatever peoples will pay...

i sell mine for 3$/lb hanging wieght.

how do ya know whos got gut filled cattle....

i pay the slaughter/processing/delivery costs. i also sell as 2 yr olds so i got more in em.


i have no actual wieght..only tape est ..of the steers i sell. only hanging wieght. which is what my cust pay..from his hand to mine..and we shake on it when the deal is done...no one has ever not said they were not happy with the product or the transaction..this makes me an unethical thief...wow

i would like to know how options can handle buying and selling nd managing 700-1000 head cattle ...thats beyond me...way beyond....so he must know something..

but i think his world is different than mine....not so much in a bad way....but i do every single bit of every job on my place....i hire out very little...i also hire myself out if givin the op.

i actually cannot rmemebr the last time i paid someone for thier labor..honestly..i thinkit was whn i built my house back in 1998..

gary

 

[plumber_greg]

Man I got to admit, Options, you are some kind of salesman. Did a search on Dakota City. Found one in Neb., population 1821, medium income $51,390. Found another in Iowa, population 911, income $33,977. Another showed up in Minn., population 320, income $62,689. May be others, these were the easiest. To sell at private treaty 300 head, supply a processor 400 head, and only need to put the market price in the local paper to inform your buyers how honest your are, is beyond amazing. Way, way, way, beyond amazing. You may be doing a good job raising cattle, but you missed your calling. gs

 

[AngusLimoX]

i would like to know how options can handle buying and selling nd managing 700-1000 head cattle ...thats beyond me...way beyond....so he must know something..

but i think his world is different than mine....not so much in a bad way....but i do every single bit of every job on my place....i hire out very little...i also hire myself out if givin the op.

i actually cannot rmemebr the last time i paid someone for thier labor..honestly..i thinkit was whn i built my house back in 1998..

gary

The most honest post so far, and these statements are the best of it.

The resentment that other folks have for someone that can make a fool of them in a sentence, and then back it up page after page, irks the pretenders. Someone who can buy and sell most on the board cattle-wise is a big fish in a little pond.

Keep your eye on options db and an open mind, maybe some day you will run enough cattle to justify employees, lets just hope the industry exists then.

 

[rockridgecattle]

oi!!!
I started following this thread when SR beef first posted any my thoughts were CONGRATS!!! Still is by the way. Any how got busy, and today being the first day able to graze through CT in a while checked out this thread to see how long it got. By the middle of the 6th page i had enough.

SR beef, congrats on a job well done. I hope you get many more customers to fill orders, and that your farm is blessed by this.

We have a few culls, one is older that might get made to hambuger to sell and others are alot younger. 1st and second calvers. We are selling some of the beef and keeping a bit for our selves... you never know who might be coming to knock on your door for beef.
We sell it live because of the new regs in Canada with transporting and selling beef. We sell it live, and they pay on the hanging weight, at our local butcher. Our price is in line with a small abitor (sp) who custom butchers and sells meat both local and for stores. As of two weeks ago the price was $2.09 CND funds cut and wrapped hanging weight + the kill fee. If we wanted to purchase the side and not get it C&W it would be $1.89 CND funds hanging weight. That is what the commercial abitor is selling beef for to local customers coming in wanting beef.

 

[rockridgecattle]

just made my way through the rest of the thread, skimmed some of the posts...OWWW my head hurts.

Some people are just way to confrontational. Maybe has something to do with the anonimity of the internet. If we were face to face, would we talk to each other like that. Truely i hope not