options":3sfpb00k said:
rockridgecattle":3sfpb00k said:
Want to talk in riddles go ahead...you like to say things out of left field trying to keep your opponents off guard.
me, I would rather an intelligent discussion. And yes i do understand the complexities of the industry. I think alot of us do. I question if you understand the reality of consumerism and capitalism and the need for a rancher/farmer to keep the farm sustanable? Or if you understand the fact that the average North American...Canada included feel the need to buy local, especially food. The fact that consumers are more than willing to pay a little extra if they know where it is sourced from and if it is local. I experience that every day when i sell my product at farmers markets and local sales.
I commended you for maybe understanding the complexities of the industry after you claimed to never have bad mouthed the packing industry. But then it seemed you had no idea what I spoke of so maybe you didn't understand the complexities of the industry you are just not the complaining type. I'm really not sure. Your in Canada I know nothing of your market situation. Here if you can't make a profit at the current market of $85 the problem is PPM.
First, I am not sure how i got sucked into your deluded game, but i am praying it never happens again
second i never said that i have never claimed to not bad mouth the packing industy, i believe i said knock your self out in finding where i did, I have nothing to hide.
third, PPM?
forth $85.00 is that per hundred weight? So then .85cents a pound? If that is true then
a. you are on grass all year
b. all you get are bull calves when you calve
c. all your calf wean weights are over 575 pounds each
d. you provide no vet care like vaccinations or deworming
e. you have the live and let die method of ranching and you do not count your death losses in your economic losses
f.the .85cents does not include yours, the farmer O/O labour
In the prairie provinces of Canada, it cost us $485 (2007-08 values pre high fuel and fertlizer) per cow to keep her year round. This does not include labour, depreciation, or loan payment.
If this were included a calf would have to bring in near $700 to keep that one cow.
I think you need to go back to the paper and pencil and grab a huge eraser and key in the expenses you missed. Like the cost to run a tractor to put up hay, the cost of fertilizer, the cost of machinery usage...ie rakes, mowers, mower conditoners, balers, cost to haul the hay home, shop expenses, hydro, vet costs, death losses, breeding stock, like bulls, fuel, fertilizer, accounting expense, office expenses, feed, seed expense, combining expense, fencing, and anything else associated with cow/calf ops.