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This is where I disagree with you. We have crossed a line of hatred for each other. I really hope I am wrong here.
Historically this never turns out well. We're at that point again in our history.
IMOO this looks more like three countries this time to me. Northeast Coast, West Coast and Fly Over.
That one statement is every thing that is wrong with people today.

There are people who I have disagreed with their choices or views or policies that I still respected or thought had good intentions.

I have actually talked with some guys who I consider credible people that have dealt with Trump and say he is genuinely a nice guy. They dont deny he not a little over the top and what not but I can say from experience... most guys like him are. It just is what it is. It makes all kind if people to make the world go round.

Most people passing judgement on him have no clue who he is or what he stands for. They base their info on some news outlet.

... by the way add me to that list. From what I have been told about Trump I'm his kind of people too.
 
exaggeration? Yes
Habitual liar? I think you are right.
Different worlds? Agree.
I stay as far away as possible from anyone with morals like Trump? Probably good advice. You said previously he had NO morals. He does, just not the best. His morals could stand some improvement for sure, but I still have room for hope for him instead of hate.

Take a deep breath.
No offense meant to anyone - ever. Just a discussion.
I am not offended nor excited in any way. I don't see my comment as exaggerated. Maybe a better term is amoral. Again it is different world that believes he could stand some improvement for sure.
What is currently happening in the Capitol and on the steps is an attack on our democracy. It should be met with extreme force - the same as the violent protests late year should have been dealt with. Not the peaceful protestors in either case, but the people who have illegally entered and destroyed. This is now the legacy of the last 4 years. I guess law and order are no longer part of the platform. The senators and representatives that objected to the electoral college results are permanently stained as well in my opinion. I don't think history will be kind to this administration.
yep. So true
One party has been crying for revolution! Looks like their wish has just come true, the house has been breached.
Yea. Trump organized the whole insurrection!
I would venture to say that a peaceful protest is when I go to the ballot box and vote. Why just focus on the states that Trump lost, the ones he won may have had some voting shenanigans also.
There were no voting issues. All of Trumps' lawsuits were bogus, of course.
 
Partial transcript as follows:

"As long as people sincerely believe they can change things by voting, they stay calm. They don't storm the bastille. They don't burst into the House chamber. They talk and they organize and they vote. But the opposite is also true. If people begin to believe that their democracy is fraudulent, if they conclude that voting is a charade, that the system is rigged and it's run in secret by a small group of powerful dishonest people who are acting in their own interests, then God knows what could happen. Actually, we do know what could happen. It's happening right now. It's happened in countless other countries over countless centuries, and the cycle is always the same because human nature never changes.

"Listen to us!" screams the population. "Shut up and do what you're told," reply their leaders. In the face of dissent, the first instinct of illegitimate leadership is to crack down on the population. But crackdowns never make it better. Instead, they always make the country more volatile and more dangerous. The people in charge rarely understand that. They don't care to learn or listen because all of this conversation is a referendum on them and their leadership, so they clamp down harder. "Obey, I tell you. Obey!" This is the Romanov program. It ends badly every single time. But that doesn't mean they won't try it again. Of course, they will because it's their nature. It's how we got here in the first place.

Millions of Americans sincerely believe the last election was fake. You can dismiss them as crazy, you can call them conspiracy theorists, you can kick them off Twitter, but that won't change their minds. Rather than trying to change their minds to convince them and reassure them the system is real, that the democracy works as you would do if you cared about the country or the people who live here, our new leaders will try to silence them.

What happened today will be used by the people taking power to justify stripping you of the rights were born with as an American. Your right to speak without being censored, your right to assemble, to not be spied upon, to make a living, to defend your family, most critically. These are the most basic and ancient freedoms that we have. They are why we live here in the first place. They're why we are proud to be Americans. They are what make us different, and they are all now in peril. When thousands of your countrymen storm the Capitol building, you don't have to like it. We don't.

You can be horrified by the violence, and as we said and we will say it again, we are horrified. It's wrong. But if you don't bother to pause and learn a single thing from it, from your citizens storming your Capitol building, then you're a fool. You lack wisdom and you lack self-awareness. You have no place running a country. We got to this sad, chaotic day for a reason. It is not your fault. It is their fault."
The millions that believe the last election was fake are just plain gullible to Trump's craziness. A few of them were rioting at the Capitol. A sad day in American history. I really don't understand why one would want to be on that side of history.
 
This is where I disagree with you. We have crossed a line of hatred for each other. I really hope I am wrong here.
Historically this never turns out well. We're at that point again in our history.
IMOO this looks more like three countries this time to me. Northeast Coast, West Coast and Fly Over.
Unfortunately we have Trump, Cruz, Hawley and + 100 house Republicans that do not want to recognize the winner of an election. A sad strategy the ends with 5 deaths in the Capitol.
 
Unfortunately we have Trump, Cruz, Hawley and + 100 house Republicans that do not want to recognize the winner of an election. A sad strategy the ends with 5 deaths in the Capitol.
If those people caused the 5 deaths at the capital who caused all the officer deaths during the riots?
 
Here is one that I quickly found. Do you agree that he promises to take our guns?

Buybacks are taking your guns?
Here is one that I quickly found. Do you agree that he promises to take our guns?

my friend assault rifles, not all guns.
 
That one statement is every thing that is wrong with people today.

There are people who I have disagreed with their choices or views or policies that I still respected or thought had good intentions.

I have actually talked with some guys who I consider credible people that have dealt with Trump and say he is genuinely a nice guy. They dont deny he not a little over the top and what not but I can say from experience... most guys like him are. It just is what it is. It makes all kind if people to make the world go round.

Most people passing judgement on him have no clue who he is or what he stands for. They base their info on some news outlet.

... by the way add me to that list. From what I have been told about Trump I'm his kind of people too.
If you feel good as "his kind of people" so be it. I do not hate you in any way. I would think you could find some one else to respect. And ... I think it is fair to judge him by what he does and says.
 
If those people caused the 5 deaths at the capital who caused all the officer deaths during the riots?
Stephan Cannon and Steven Carillo? I'm aware of only two officers killed in the summer. One was killed by a pawn shop looter, and the other was killed by a wingnut who believed we're on the edge of a civil war (not BLM or Antifa). The rumor on facebook about dozens of dead officers was false.

The difference between the events of the summer and the events of this week is who was instigating. Politicians did not tell people to go out into the streets and fight this summer. They did on Wednesday.
 
Stephan Cannon and Steven Carillo? I'm aware of only two officers killed in the summer. One was killed by a pawn shop looter, and the other was killed by a wingnut who believed we're on the edge of a civil war (not BLM or Antifa). The rumor on facebook about dozens of dead officers was false.

The difference between the events of the summer and the events of this week is who was instigating. Politicians did not tell people to go out into the streets and fight this summer. They did on Wednesday.
I totally agree. To compare summer riots to This week insurrection is a false equivalence.
 
I think much of last summer was NOT about deaths of "black folks". Much of it seemed to me to be about trashing and looting. The deaths were just an excuse for some to practice their lack of morals. If we resort to rioting and looting to express our displeasure, there will be a lot more to come. It is pretty barbaric to behave that way.

I don't use that word in my every day vocabulary. Had to look it up. The definition of a sycophant is a person who tries to gain attention by flattering wealthy or influential people. Maybe we all fall into that category sometimes. I don't think your assessment is fair. Do you say that simply because she served in the administration? What is your reasoning? Do you have much knowledge of Nikki's background and history?

I think I remember several of the candidates in the democratic primary that promised that they were coming after the guns.


"No morals of any sort" is an exaggeration I think. He sometimes seems to be challenged in that regards like a lot of the population. I think a more objective assessment is needed. "None", "never" and "always" are usually an exaggerated position. He does appear to suffer from some weak character traits as we have seen many times in our officials.

Just trying out the multi quote feature today.
To be in the Trump cabinet you need to be a sycophant- he insists. They all believe they can tame the tiger so they take a ride and eventually he (the tiger) eats them. How many have lasted? Seems obvious.
 
I think much of last summer was NOT about deaths of "black folks". Much of it seemed to me to be about trashing and looting. The deaths were just an excuse for some to practice their lack of morals. If we resort to rioting and looting to express our displeasure, there will be a lot more to come. It is pretty barbaric to behave that way.

I don't use that word in my every day vocabulary. Had to look it up. The definition of a sycophant is a person who tries to gain attention by flattering wealthy or influential people. Maybe we all fall into that category sometimes. I don't think your assessment is fair. Do you say that simply because she served in the administration? What is your reasoning? Do you have much knowledge of Nikki's background and history?

I think I remember several of the candidates in the democratic primary that promised that they were coming after the guns.


"No morals of any sort" is an exaggeration I think. He sometimes seems to be challenged in that regards like a lot of the population. I think a more objective assessment is needed. "None", "never" and "always" are usually an exaggerated position. He does appear to suffer from some weak character traits as we have seen many times in our officials.

Just trying out the multi quote feature today.
You actually believe much of the riots in the summer were NOT about the deaths of black folks? I guess we live in different worlds. And ... what is your main source of information?
 
Literally fake news. The facial recognition company cited in that article said this claim is false. The Washington Times, the original runner of the story, has retracted it.

Yea. Washington Times. Similar to Murdocks NY post with pure political ramblings. I guess they had to pull it. They have been known to peddle truly "fake news".
 
Would like to agree with you, but the signs the protesters are carrying and the timing would suggest otherwise.

There is no difference between the violent summer protesters and the protesters today. Scum of the earth.
All of the protesters today are "scum of the earth"? Or just the violent ones? I assume some are just gullible to Trumps manipulation and did not get violent.
 

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