general motors strike

[ccr]

according to the local nbc news gm pays $63 per hour in wages and benefits. that's around 131k per year. don't know the details or specifics about exactly why they are striking, but i don't understand it.

in mexico the labor is much cheaper and kinda see why gm would just move the plants to mexico.

never worked at a place like that and don't comprehend the reasoning for a strike when across the border the worker will do the same much cheaper. years ago airline workers were striking for job security, sure didn't get that either.

 

[Caustic Burno]

You have the standard of living today in this country because of unions.
The companies caused a necessary evil to form due to company policies of kill a horse buy another one kill a man hire another one. The problem with unions they become companies eventually.

 

[Buck Randall]

I would be very curious to see the breakdown of that supposed $63/hr figure. If you're providing health/vision/dental insurance, then adding on some "value" like staff dieticians or workout facilities, there may not actually be much left in those paychecks.

 

[Aaron]

Fire them all and build them in Mexico. Unions are a plague that turns go-getters into lazy Commies. Why try to get ahead when the guy beside you gets paid just as much and does 1/2 the work?

All of the 'benefits' that unions lay claim to after WWII would have eventually come around without unions, albeit on a much longer timeline - 100 years vs 30. You can only push a bunch of individual non-Union workers so far before no one will work for a company.

There are no unions allowed in the oil fields and their workers get treated very well. Competent people get treated very well and fools are tossed to the wolves.

 

[kentuckyguy]

Most strikes are generally not all about wages although the media tends to always throw out dollar figures.
131K sounds like a lot until you break down what all that is divided up into. I know my employer sends me a form every year showing what they pay $1220 month for my family plan medical insurance. This does not include what they pay for dental, eye care, and prescription insurance.
Add to that most employers now are offering a 401K plan in which you have to save for your own retirement.
Most of these strikes are due to working conditions, schedule changes, vacation, sick leave, and trying to combine positions.

 

[greybeard]

Yeah, those poor GM workers are all starving to death.
Poor overworked underpaid babes. The country should do something for them.. :lol: :lol:

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Why always GM? Ford, Fiat, and every other car manufacturer in the US is part of the auto workers union, but they always go after GM?
GM giving into the unions is what caused the 2008 auto crash. Should of just let the unions burn, and force the workers to go get a job that actually requires you to work for your pay.

 

[ccr]

heard on the radio this morning the average hourly base pay was $24 for seniority workers, $17 for less experienced workers, and $15 for temp workers.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Fire them all and build them in Mexico. Unions are a plague that turns go-getters into lazy Commies. Why try to get ahead when the guy beside you gets paid just as much and does 1/2 the work?

All of the 'benefits' that unions lay claim to after WWII would have eventually come around without unions, albeit on a much longer timeline - 100 years vs 30. You can only push a bunch of individual non-Union workers so far before no one will work for a company.

There are no unions allowed in the oil fields and their workers get treated very well. Competent people get treated very well and fools are tossed to the wolves.

They get treated well because of unions in the oil field.
Every heard of the OCAW.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil,_Chemical_and_Atomic_Workers_International_Union

 

[SDM]

My grandfather was is in the UMWA a long time ago. They took care of my grandmother when he died and afterwards. I'm not sure what they did politically then, but I know he mined 3' coal with a pick and shovel. He was Union and worked for his pay. Way harder than I do for sure.

Those union folks today got it relatively easy. Everybody got an entitlement complex now.

 

[greybeard]

OCAW or other labor unions never really made into the drilling end of O&G after the Great Depression..the IADC (International Association of Drilling Contractors) in East, South, and West Texas kept them out as well as in Louisiana. .
Before I went to work for them, a union organizer from a union called OFWU trying to convince roughnecks to join the union got shot dead at the end of the board road of one of the same rigs I later worked on. I've heard the story 1/2 dozen times from people that were there.

You union lackeys can read it here..or at least the appeal part of it.
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1777536/babineaux-v-pernie-bailey-drilling-co/

Courts found for the defendants..the drilling company.
Appeal court held that decision up and declined to award the union organizer's family anything except to order them to pay court costs.
That, was pretty much the end of labor trying to organize the drilling business in La and East Texas.
(PBDC began in 1947 and was headquartered in Houston..I went to their office every other Friday and picked up the payroll for the Texas division...I worked for them from late 70s thru 1985)

 

[Caustic Burno]

OCAW or other labor unions never really made into the drilling end of O&G after the Great Depression..the IADC (International Association of Drilling Contractors) in East, South, and West Texas kept them out as well as in Louisiana. .
Before I went to work for them, a union organizer from a union called OFWU trying to convince roughnecks to join the union got shot dead at the end of the board road of one of the same rigs I later worked on. I've heard the story 1/2 dozen times from people that were there.

You union lackeys can read it here..or at least the appeal part of it.
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1777536/babineaux-v-pernie-bailey-drilling-co/

Courts found for the defendants..the drilling company.
Appeal court held that decision up and declined to award the union organizer's family anything except to order them to pay court costs.
That, was pretty much the end of labor trying to organize the drilling business in La and East Texas.
(PBDC began in 1947 and was headquartered in Houston..I went to their office every other Friday and picked up the payroll for the Texas division...I worked for them from late 70s thru 1985)

Roughnecks were just contractors for the production arm. The pumpers and gaugers were union.Oil field is more than hole punchers.

 

[greybeard]

I've known lots of gaugers and pumpers. Never met a single one that was a union man.
Never met a workover hand or roustabout that was either.
But Vladimir would probably approve of your posts regarding this subject.
Up with the Proletariat..down with the Bourgeois!!!


"Vladimir Lenin agreed and made unions an integral part of the "people's republic" he founded in 1917. "Shakedown Socialism" author Oleg Atbashian, a propagandist for the Soviet Union before he migrated the United States in 1994, writes that in the Soviet Union, "organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory" and "that system's seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality and grotesque injustice."

Yeah, it (unionized society) worked out so well for Cuba and the USSR.

Some people probably do/did need unions tho. Not able to figure out how to show their employer how much they were worth on their own. Too dumb to understand to keep their fingers out of a saw blade, their feet from under a load, or how many hours a day to work all on their lonesome.
Unions got rich off those kinds of people and still are today.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I've known lots of gaugers and pumpers. Never met a single one that was a union man.
Never met a workover hand or roustabout that was either.
But Vladimir would probably approve of your posts regarding this subject.
Up with the Proletariat..down with the Bourgeois!!!


"Vladimir Lenin agreed and made unions an integral part of the "people's republic" he founded in 1917. "Shakedown Socialism" author Oleg Atbashian, a propagandist for the Soviet Union before he migrated the United States in 1994, writes that in the Soviet Union, "organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory" and "that system's seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality and grotesque injustice."

Yeah, it (unionized society) worked out so well for Cuba and the USSR.

Some people probably do/did need unions tho. Not able to figure out how to show their employer how much they were worth on their own. Too dumb to understand to keep their fingers out of a saw blade, their feet from under a load, or how many hours a day to work all on their lonesome.
Unions got rich off those kinds of people and still are today.

Apparently you didn't know very many had three uncles one for Exxon one for Sinclair and Arco all were union, all Amoco production was union.
The union worker has always propped up the non union worker in the patch.

 

[Aaron]

Fire them all and build them in Mexico. Unions are a plague that turns go-getters into lazy Commies. Why try to get ahead when the guy beside you gets paid just as much and does 1/2 the work?

All of the 'benefits' that unions lay claim to after WWII would have eventually come around without unions, albeit on a much longer timeline - 100 years vs 30. You can only push a bunch of individual non-Union workers so far before no one will work for a company.

There are no unions allowed in the oil fields and their workers get treated very well. Competent people get treated very well and fools are tossed to the wolves.

They get treated well because of unions in the oil field.
Every heard of the OCAW.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil,_Chemical_and_Atomic_Workers_International_Union

Nope. Never heard of it. Looks like it was a known entity decades ago. Do they still exist in oil rigs in US? In this country it is an immediate firing if someone even utters the word 'union' while working in the oil patch. When my brother got hired as team leader for his operations crew, his boss told him he either keeps tabs and fires the union punks or the whole crew gets sacked.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Fire them all and build them in Mexico. Unions are a plague that turns go-getters into lazy Commies. Why try to get ahead when the guy beside you gets paid just as much and does 1/2 the work?

All of the 'benefits' that unions lay claim to after WWII would have eventually come around without unions, albeit on a much longer timeline - 100 years vs 30. You can only push a bunch of individual non-Union workers so far before no one will work for a company.

There are no unions allowed in the oil fields and their workers get treated very well. Competent people get treated very well and fools are tossed to the wolves.

They get treated well because of unions in the oil field.
Every heard of the OCAW.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil,_Chemical_and_Atomic_Workers_International_Union

Nope. Never heard of it. Looks like it was a known entity decades ago. Do they still exist in oil rigs in US? In this country it is an immediate firing if someone even utters the word 'union' while working in the oil patch. When my brother got hired as team leader for his operations crew, his boss told him he either keeps tabs and fires the union punks or the whole crew gets sacked.

That violates section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act.
Sounds like someone has a lawsuit.
https://corporate.findlaw.com/human-resources/employer-penalties-for-violating-the-national-labor-relations-act.html

 

[TexasBred]

This strike is about pure greed. We want our share of the profits!!!!!!!!!!! BS

 

[shaz]

This strike is about pure greed. We want our share of the profits!!!!!!!!!!! BS

The CEO gets 21 million

 

[greybeard]

Apparently you didn't know very many had three uncles one for Exxon one for Sinclair and Arco all were union, all Amoco production was union.
The union worker has always propped up the non union worker in the patch.

More union propaganda.


I knew lots of union people in upstream O&G, none in downstream. My own father was a union member with Humble, then Exxon when Humble got gobbled up by standard oil in '73. Said the bitterest pill he ever had to swallow in his life was having to join their union...made no sense to him why anyone needed someone else to fight their battles for him. He was fiercely loyal to Humble and Exxon but despised OCAW. He had lots of memorabilia from both Humble and Exxon, not a single thing from OCAW did he ever keep. Before I joined the Marines, I worked for an independent non-union contractor in Humble's Baytown refinery. My best friend worked for a unionized contractor doing the same thing I was. Every Friday, we took our paychecks and cashed 'em, then we had to go by his union office so he could give part of his paycheck to someone else. Made no sense to me, but then too, he wasn't the smartest cookie in the jar anyway.
Some people can fight their own battles in life, some don't have the guts to.

 

[Caustic Burno]

All that is GB is an opinion like a butthole they all stink.
Fact before the oil workers organized there was no sick leave, no vacation, retirement etc. Next weekend thank a union man it was bought by them.