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What is good carcass data, and what is it worth?
OCTOBER 02, 2007
By Troy Smith


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For some calf-sellers, ignorance is bliss. What happens to their calf crops after the critters are sold is of no concern. Some other cow-calf producers never forget that someone is going to feed their calves. Those producers know performance in the feedlot matters. So does the value of the finished product. Animal performance and carcass merit will determine whether that “someone” wants to feed more calves from certain sources.

All cattle contribute to the reputation of their source. But what kind of reputation is it? Driven by the need to know, more conscientious cow-calf producers are seeking feedlot performance and carcass data on their home-raised calves. Whether they retain ownership or arrange to retrieve the data from subsequent owners, more producers see value in the data.

With the advancement of grid-marketing, where the finished animal’s value is subject to the premiums and discounts associated with carcass merit, having carcass data becomes increasingly important. Producers count on good carcass data to tell them where their calves stand, and for directions to where they might need to be. Good data can be a great tool to enhance genetic selection for carcass merit. But what is “good” carcass data, and what is it worth?

According to Scott Greiner, Virginia Tech animal scientist, good carcass data includes measurements of hot carcass weight, ribeye area, external fat, yield grade and, of course, marbling which is the chief determinant of quality grade. Greiner says group data can be useful, but individual data is better.

Group or pen data can give the producer an idea of where, on average, those cattle fit, with regard to industry acceptability, says Greiner. A producer might squeeze more information out of the data by looking at trait distribution, or variation within the group. There will be variation within any group, but it can offer clues to which traits need improvement.

For example, what percentage of the cattle produced carcasses that graded Choice or better, compared to the percentages of Select and Standard? What was the percentage of carcasses achieving Yield Grade 3 or lower, and how many were discounted as Yield Grade 4 and 5? How many were too light, too heavy or near either extreme of carcass weight acceptability? What about the variation in ribeye size?

“To be most useful, any data collected needs to be representative of genetics and management, on a whole-herd basis. And don’t jump to conclusions based on one year’s data. Use it as a benchmark and see if it’s repeatable. After the second or third year, a producer can act on it,” cautions Greiner. “But it’s hard to evaluate specific sires or cow families with group data. For that, it’s best to have data on individual animals of known parentage.”

Gathering individual data is the goal of Missouri producers involved in South Ozarks Premier Beef Marketing Group, coordinated by University of Missouri Extension personnel. Comprised primarily of producers with small breeding herds, the group’s members have adopted similar pre-weaning management protocols and commingle their calves for backgrounding and marketing purposes. They collectively merchandise five semi-loads of cattle per year, courting buyers willing to provide feedlot and carcass data on individual animals. Some year’s they retain part-interest in the calves, by partnering with a feeder.

According to South Ozarks’ current president, West Plains producer Al Vance, group data might help lure future bidders, but it’s certainly not as effective in implementing genetic improvement. For several years, Vance and fellow participants have used individual carcass data to help direct selection of sires and replacement females. And cows become likely cull candidates, if their calves repeatedly fail to meet the producers’ standards for carcass merit.

“Getting carcass data is only half of it. We want to know how the calves feed just as much,” states Vance. “Historically, our cattle have fed well â€" good gains and respectable feed efficiency. We don’t intend to lose that. But we want more of them to hit the target of a 750-pound, Yield Grade 2 carcass that grades Choice or better.”

When he first started receiving data, Vance admits surprise at how few of his calves graded Choice. And he learned that Choice is worth a lot more than Select on most pricing grids. Consequently, selection for improved marbling became a priority. More recent data shows a 20 percent improvement in the number of Choice carcasses, while maintaining acceptable yield grades and feedlot performance.

“The data can tell you a lot about your herd. The more improvement you need to make, the more the data is worth,” says Vance. “For me, personally, I’d say it’s been worth about $20 a head.”

Scott Greiner notes that how cattle are fed and marketed also matter. It’s not all genetics. Cattle must be managed consistently well, harvested at an appropriate end-point and marketed through the same or a similar grid for the data to be most useful. Furthermore, uniform collection of data contributes to its quality and value.

Retrieving data after selling calves isn’t always easy, Greiner warns. It’s generally much easier when producers retained ownership. Still, he calls the availability of carcass data dramatically improved. That’s not to say it’s free. In Greiner’s experience with Virginia Tech’s retained ownership program, the cost of complete data runs in the neighborhood of $8 per head. The cost to South Ozarks producers is similar.

“What it is worth to an individual producer will vary. It’s different for everyone, depending on how they use it,” Greiner says. “However, the difference in grid-value between the top end and the bottom end of a set of finished steers is about $200 per head. Year-in and year-out, when you take out all of the variables, it’s still about $200. It takes time, obviously, but if a producer can add $100 per head to the bottom-end steers (through improved carcass merit) it makes the $8 cost look cheap.”

“Of course,” he adds, “carcass data isn’t worth anything if you don’t use it.”
 
Dun do you receive carcass data on the anaimals that you sell and if so how has it influenced your breeding selections?

Has it put more money in your pocket?

J+
 
J+ Cattle":23ybihu5 said:
Dun do you receive carcass data on the anaimals that you sell and if so how has it influenced your breeding selections?

Has it put more money in your pocket?

J+

It depends on what feedlot buys the calves or if we retain any ownership. We've only had one bull over the years that calves didn;t grade at least low choice. We don;t put much pressure on selecting for carcass because we've pretty much selected for it over the years nad it isn;t an issue anymore.
Al Vance is the president of our marketing group, but I don;t know that we've really gotten any extra for the higher grading carcass but it has allowed us to eat a lot better quality beef on our own table.
We ultrasound or retained heifers shortly after weaning and before shipping out the ones we aren;t planning on keeping. The ultrasounding has caused us to ship a few that we had tentatively planned on keeping..
 
Dun what is your criteria for selection of replacement females based on ultrasound, are you looking for a certain IMF, ribeye area, combination of both or is it even more complex?

Has the carcass data that you have received caused you to select for larger or smaller frame size or choose a sire to improve yield grade, etc.

I would rather learn from other peoples experiences than make my own costly mistakes. ;-)

J+
 
J+ Cattle":1q9ettfg said:
Dun what is your criteria for selection of replacement females based on ultrasound, are you looking for a certain IMF, ribeye area, combination of both or is it even more complex?

Has the carcass data that you have received caused you to select for larger or smaller frame size or choose a sire to improve yield grade, etc.

I would rather learn from other peoples experiences than make my own costly mistakes. ;-)

J+

I knew some one would ask but I haven;t looked back at the records to see what appears to be the bottom line for IMF and RE. We only do it once a year so it isn;t something I keep on the top of my head.
We use FS 6-6.5 bulls, that part is the easy one. For bulls we look for EPDs in the breed average to slighltly above breed average. But, if a cow is a potential heifer maker we'll let the RE and IMF slip a bit as long as the cow is adequate and put more pressure on maternal calving ease, heifer pregnancy and milk.
 
dun":1pavoevv said:
I knew some one would ask but I haven;t looked back at the records to see what appears to be the bottom line for IMF and RE. We only do it once a year so it isn;t something I keep on the top of my head.

I chekcked back and here's the deal:
As a weaned calf around 205 days the minimum REA is 9 inches and the IMF is 3.5. We may raise those a bit as we go along. We did keep one heifer that was 8.9 for REA but we haven;t sold her calf yet so we won;t get carcass data back on it for another 6-8 months.
 
Dun thanks for your replies, I am surprised that no one else is apparently interested in this subject since to me this is how you direct the future profitability of your operation.
Last years drought was very extreme in my part of the country and I sold (at low drought prices) all of the older cow pairs that I had and kept only the first calf heifers that I had just bought. (poor timing) Most have turned out pretty well but there is much room for improvement.

J+
 

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