Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

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The primers aren't in the center of the brass. The Federal box says made in America. But they're sure not made in the same place as Hornady. I will not be buying anymore Federal 410 ammo.
 

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The primers aren't in the center of the brass. The Federal box says made in America. But they're sure not made in the same place as Hornady. I will not be buying anymore Federal 410 ammo.

That is very poor quality control. Wow!
 

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The primers would have to be almost touching the rim of the case to not get hit by the firing pin. But that is horrible quality control.
 

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I've stared at that picture a couple of times. I don't see what your talking about. They look centered to me. Not questioning your judgement, just my eyesight.
 

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Never cared for Federal Ammo especially in shotgun shells if I didn't reload it I wanted the box to read Winchester Super X or Remington Express. Fiochi Golden Pheasant is some premium shells as well.
The best buckshot loads I have found in 410 are Winchester
 
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Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.

I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.
 

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Ryder":2qhz905l said:
Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.

I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.

Now the rest of the story. The 410 has less penetration and less range as a defensive weapon. I will take the .45 ACP. If I only need a couple shots, I would prefer my single action Blackhawk in .44 magnum.
 

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There are many opinions and theories about what makes a good self defense weapon. You see it all over the interwebs. I believe what is probably the most dependable would be a double action revolver, but thats not what I have. Platform is a personal choice, just be good, or at least efficient, with what you choose.

The round or caliber is not as important I don't believe. Although, obviously, a 45/410 etc will stop more than a 22, when whatever you have starts catching on fire you are gonna get their attention.
 

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Shotgun or handgun I feel depends on the application. If I lived in a house with other people I would far prefer a shotgun. Less of a chance of a stray penetrating a wall and doing damage but very effective at those kind of close ranges against a single or even multiple assailants. If I had to shoot through a car door or window the handgun (or even better a rifle) would be my choice. I think that is part of the reason "The Judge" has become so popular. Sadly a lot of the hype and horse schitt about selve defence is from people relying on movies for their information/ifeas.
 

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dun":3ummagut said:
Shotgun or handgun I feel depends on the application. If I lived in a house with other people I would far prefer a shotgun. Less of a chance of a stray penetrating a wall and doing damage but very effective at those kind of close ranges against a single or even multiple assailants. If I had to shoot through a car door or window the handgun (or even better a rifle) would be my choice. I think that is part of the reason "The Judge" has become so popular. Sadly a lot of the hype and horse schitt about selve defence is from people relying on movies for their information/ifeas.
Judge is a good gun for on the nightstand or in the truck or mule for personal carry I wouldn't even consider it. Bought one for the wife years ago for the house loaded with Winchester AA #8 great for snakes and varmits around. For defense she carries a 38
 
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dun":3024szjj said:
Shotgun or handgun I feel depends on the application. If I lived in a house with other people I would far prefer a shotgun. Less of a chance of a stray penetrating a wall and doing damage but very effective at those kind of close ranges against a single or even multiple assailants. If I had to shoot through a car door or window the handgun (or even better a rifle) would be my choice. I think that is part of the reason "The Judge" has become so popular. Sadly a lot of the hype and horse schitt about selve defence is from people relying on movies for their information/ifeas.

So very true, and I agree with everything in that post. I feel self-defense is within 10 to15 feet of me, and at that range I'll take a high brass #4 every time.
http://m.hornady.com/store/410-Critical-Defense-Ammo/
This is what I prefer for my last 4 rounds. You need to try these CB, a 125gr 38+p load won't stop a shark in it's tracks ever. The Hornady will most of the time, and a high brass #4 will every time. I've shot hundreds of sharks with my 338 to a 22. And nothing will stop them like a high brass #4 or #6 shot from a 12 ga. This is real life and no BS.
 

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Margonme":1huchr6y said:
True Grit Farms":1huchr6y said:
Ryder":1huchr6y said:
Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.

I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.

Now the rest of the story. The 410 has less penetration and less range as a defensive weapon. I will take the .45 ACP. If I only need a couple shots, I would prefer my single action Blackhawk in .44 magnum.
True Grit you are right.
I haven't shot anyone with a .410 pistol lately so I can't attest to the stopping power or lack thereof personally.
However I would still take a .45 for reasons put forth by Margonme.
 

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True Grit Farms":235rv2l5 said:
Ryder":235rv2l5 said:
Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.

I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.

I think you are wrong, Mr. True Grit.

S&W M500 .50 Magnum
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Margonme":31ubf7xc said:
True Grit Farms":31ubf7xc said:
Ryder":31ubf7xc said:
Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.

I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.

I think you are wrong, Mr. True Grit.

S&W M500 .50 Magnum
350 gr Hornady XTP HP
1,912 ft/s
2,842 ft·lbs
A single shot .50 BMG pistol has even more, but it would seem that you would want something that you could actaully carry and not be half afraid to tough off.
 

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dun":2hchv8sk said:
Margonme":2hchv8sk said:
True Grit Farms":2hchv8sk said:
I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.

I think you are wrong, Mr. True Grit.

S&W M500 .50 Magnum
350 gr Hornady XTP HP
1,912 ft/s
2,842 ft·lbs
A single shot .50 BMG pistol has even more, but it would seem that you would want something that you could actaully carry and not be half afraid to tough off.

I agree. 44 magnum is the most recoil I want in a handgun.
 

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