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If pine needles were too toxic for grass to grow, there wouldn't be any pasture in my part of the world.
Mine either.circlew":dme0oy0c said:If pine needles were too toxic for grass to grow, there wouldn't be any pasture in my part of the world.
TexasBred":115ig1yg said:Why do you need some an excessive amount of protein?kciD":115ig1yg said:We feed a be nice ton of Corn gluton.. and dry DDG.. Love both products for what they offer to the table. Have no experience with wet DDG-- other than when I was at the U-- we mixed it w/ straw to feed the old cows in the winter.
I can take a ration of 1/2 DDGS and 1/2 SBMP-- and really put the weight on one in 2 weeks... love that high fat content...
Glad you explained that SBMP means "soyhulls". Thought for a minute the acronym mean soybean meal pellets. You were doing well until you said the above. It makes no sense at all to feed lower quality cheaper roughages in order to sell good hay and purchase and feed higher quality supplements even if one does contain rumen bypass protein and the other high in rumen degradeable protein. Rumen health can be maintained with good quality roughage alone with no need to purchase corn stalks are other alternatives that are extremely high in both ADF and NDF and energy levels that hardly register. And most folks cannot afford the facilities to utilize mixer wagons and TMRs and if they do I hope the go the extra little bit to have a more complete ration formulated and balanced for their use.Again , if you have high quality hay, you need to SELL that hay and buy poor hay to make co products work. Here good hay is 180 to 200 a ton, grass or alfalfa, some poorer hay maybe as low as 100 and some less, . It works best with a TMR as Tiler uses, but I limit feed chopped roughage and hand feed the DDGS/soyhull, mineral mix, I belive Don free choices corns stalk bales and hand feed the mix as well.
What kind of animal are you feeding?? freezer beef?? mature cows??? You cannot overfeed grass to breeding stock. They determine how much they need. That is how you grow "lean" beef as in "grass fed"...Feeding low quality hay with a high NDF does nothing but fill them full of undigestible fiber and serves no good purpose other than to make them feel full.kciD":wd7ls881 said:You're right-- I did stick in an M-- and not mean to, but meant it to be SBHP.
I think the basis behind selling the good hay- and feeding poor roughage-- is not overdoing it. The good hay protein is not bypass-- and so if you're feeding an 'overload' of both-- then you're going to overload the animal-- whereas feeding an 'overload' of just one-- should not.
kciD":2mp1k0rq said:this is getting fed through the winter-- when there is no grass.. hard to eat it, if it doesn't exist...
Sounds more like a classroom discussion at the "U".kciD":st36audd said:This is not my direct feeding system-- just one that I know very well. The actual 'decision' maker-- is old and hard headed and stuck in ways...
At my place, I plan to feed hay less than 30 days each year, due to quality pasture and grazing techinques, and feed zero grains to mature animals.
TexasBred":2flbkvxp said:Sounds more like a classroom discussion at the "U".kciD":2flbkvxp said:This is not my direct feeding system-- just one that I know very well. The actual 'decision' maker-- is old and hard headed and stuck in ways...
At my place, I plan to feed hay less than 30 days each year, due to quality pasture and grazing techinques, and feed zero grains to mature animals.
kciD":qxu6ovxt said:TexasBred":qxu6ovxt said:Sounds more like a classroom discussion at the "U".kciD":qxu6ovxt said:This is not my direct feeding system-- just one that I know very well. The actual 'decision' maker-- is old and hard headed and stuck in ways...
At my place, I plan to feed hay less than 30 days each year, due to quality pasture and grazing techinques, and feed zero grains to mature animals.
No, more like a grandpa who's stuck in his ways with pasture management-- but looking to save costs associated with feeding.
At my place is a youngster, who has to practice what he preaches every day-- in order to get people on board with him-- and be able to show that it does work.
kciD":2a0jed1q said:continious grazing will get you nowhere, but an expensive feed and hay bill in the winter...
let's see- my ways-- with feeding virtually no hay in the winter-- or a huge feed bill? hmm??
kciD":nauzhbe9 said:Most often in a silvapasture setting (I was a forestry major)-- the trees are planted to a set stocking desity-- which means not overcrowded- and as they mature-- they are even thinned less...
Most often in a natural forest type setting they are crowded...
When trees are crowded-- they produce shade, duh-- most species of desirable plants (grasses especially) are not shade tollerant, which means grows in 100% shade.
Sivlapasture works because the ground is not shaded--the trees are not dense- and as a result-- good stands of grasses and legumes can be maintained either for pasture or hay...