Diesel shortage
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Actually the area has been mined since at least the 1860's
Mined for years by individual claim owners using tunnels. At least two complete towns have been engulfed by the largest open pit mine in the world . It is easily viewed from space.
And now almost 150 years later they are circling back to the way they started underground mining in tunnels.
Never has produced much lead as your initial post claimed.
Doesnt matter what product or reason it was mined in the past .
Only thing keeping it open and mined today is the demand for minerals from the "green " economy, mainly copper molybdenum and gold , more recently tellurium. Mine has been on the verge of closing for decades but the demand for green minerals has kept it producing.
Silver
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Can't have it both ways. Ask to be fact checked then cry when you are.
Silver
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ONLY 25 YEARS LEFT FOR KENNECOTT MINE?
Louis Cononelos never imagined the Kennecott copper mine where he, his father and his father's father worked would one day be depleted. ``Here you have this world-class mine that's viewed as one of the engineering wonders of the world. Everyone assumes it will be around forever,'' said...
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Landslide forces layoffs at Kennecott Utah Copper
Kennecott Utah Copper will lay off workers as a result of a massive landslide last month that crippled its Bingham Canyon Mine.
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Kennecott suspends Utah operations - UPI Archives
Blaming low copper prices, Kennecott announced Monday it is shutting down its Utah copper operations indefinitely, laying off 2,200 workers with a payroll...
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I think electric is good in some ways and will suit many American's just fine. It has downsides for sure, but I'm not totally against it. Even if partly powered by fossil fuels and manufacturing factored in, I think it's been proven that an EV is a net positive for total emissions over the long term.
I don't think it's okay for the government to subsidize and litigate them down our throats. If they were really that great it wouldn't be necessary. There are still many long term hurdles, lousy range and lack of lithium being the big ones. Plus they already can't build enough of them to meet demand.
I don't think it's okay for the government to subsidize and litigate them down our throats. If they were really that great it wouldn't be necessary. There are still many long term hurdles, lousy range and lack of lithium being the big ones. Plus they already can't build enough of them to meet demand.
Travlr
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Electric platforms have more versatility in some ways. I've heard there have been some designs where a consumer buys a body and rents the chassis. If something goes wrong with the chassis it gets replaced and you keep your car/truck body.
rocfarm
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Know all about what happens to families and their ranches when they don't change. Last one in my family to own any ag land.
Not against change, just think it needs to be smart. What many of the advocates of change fail to mention, though, is that most new ideas fizzle and die at a loss. Finding the right ways to change is tough.
I've looked at the electric vehicle thing 3 times now. Still doesn't make financial sense for a middle class person. It's mainly for the well-off trying to make a political statement (at least when we don't have a fuel crisis or massive inflation). And, the thing is, I store more carbon on my farm that they save with their vehicles
. But agree that we are going through a significant time. So far we are at natural disasters, pandemic, war, inflation/economic crisis. Not wanting to be alarmist, but people people realize that civilizations of the past have collapsed under similar circumstances. Rooting' for the USA to reinvent itself yet again and show what makes it so special.
Hoping for real leaders that can point us in the right direction. Blessings on everyone as they exercise their right to vote in the coming days!
rocfarm
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But if electric vehicles come to be considered a utility-type need like water or electricity itself, government will need to be involved. Buses and even taxis/Uber might make sense. But government involvement should lead to the cheapest cost possible, not subsidies.
No one argues government shouldn't be involved in electricity, water, or roads, etc. I'd be fine with involvement in vehicles if they showed cost was lowered by 20-30% over private companies because they were able to get the new infrastructure in place better and involvement produced a more shock-proof market. But unlikely, because cars vary from a utility to a luxury, so leave it to the private market in my opinion.
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Automobiles with internal combustion engines had a lot of the same problems when they first came on the market. They could never have become as dominant as they did without huge government investments in modernizing roads. When congress first started proposing millions of dollars for paving roads a little over a hundred years ago, there were people who thought the money would be better spent elsewhere, and rural people complained that their tax dollars were being spent to benefit city people and their impractical toys.
The specific topics change, but the main themes are the same.
simme
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One of the issues is that we waste so much. Many of our resources have a limited supply in the short term. Took millions of years to make those fossil fuels. We tend to use resources like there is an unlimited supply. Reported that we have a few hundred years of coal and about 50 years of oil at current usage rates. What happens then? Aluminum, copper and iron - what happens when we dig it all up?
We can calculate how much electricity we need to replace oil, but I am sure that there are opportunities to use less energy regardless of source. How many people drive to the store for one or a few items many times per week or even per day? How much stuff gets buried in landfills that could be recycled? How much energy could be saved with better planning? Do people use the most efficient vehicle for most of their travel? People tend to have bigger houses to be heated and cooled than 50 years ago. There are lots of opportunities probably.
We can calculate how much electricity we need to replace oil, but I am sure that there are opportunities to use less energy regardless of source. How many people drive to the store for one or a few items many times per week or even per day? How much stuff gets buried in landfills that could be recycled? How much energy could be saved with better planning? Do people use the most efficient vehicle for most of their travel? People tend to have bigger houses to be heated and cooled than 50 years ago. There are lots of opportunities probably.
Travlr
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I'm sure land fills will eventually be mined. They have got to have more usable and easily accessed copper than digging it out of traditional mines. Probably other trace minerals as well...
SmokinM
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I think you are right. Easily accessible I don't know about but out of necessity yes I think so. When we burn thru our resources one of two things will happen. New resources will be developed or the population will be balanced to a sustainable level.
chaded
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I hope i'm not around when we have to go digging through the trash for copper and trace minerals…
Named'em Tamed'em
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We have an Hybrid/electric ferry here too, passenger and bicycle only. They had to improve the cooling in the battery storage area but it's great. It is one of the replacements for a 100+ years old
wooden diesel boat.. Hybrid seems the way to go, but what do I know!
wooden diesel boat.. Hybrid seems the way to go, but what do I know!
greybeard
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You think it will last 100+ years like the last one did?
greybeard
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Ah. That explains why I never heard of it. I was living in a place called Guantanamo those years. The only shortage there was female companionship.....
Travlr
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The original engine must have been steam powered... maybe. I don't believe they put diesels in many pre-1960s boats, but I could be wrong.
greybeard
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There were plenty of diesels in boats prior to the 1960s.
Gray Marine built over 100 Marine versions of the GM6-71 PER Day during ww2.
I was stationed on a US Navy tug boat in 1975 with a Cleveland 6-278 that ran @ 700 rpms. Vessel and engines built and put into service in 1942.
AFAIK, all ww1 and ww2 submarines ran on diesels when on surface.
Gray Marine built over 100 Marine versions of the GM6-71 PER Day during ww2.
I was stationed on a US Navy tug boat in 1975 with a Cleveland 6-278 that ran @ 700 rpms. Vessel and engines built and put into service in 1942.
AFAIK, all ww1 and ww2 submarines ran on diesels when on surface.
