Jedstivers, I meant to tell you thanks for the links. Some good info in there. Just to update, Im going tomorrow to look at a used feeder along with some other things a friend is selling. He sold his herd last spring, and has a few things Im interested in. Among them is a creep feeder that he says needs some repair. How much is the question that will be answered tomorrow:how much repair,and how much money. Also going to be looking at a squeeze chute, and definately picking up some guard rails like you see on a highway. Hopefully the pieces of a future catch pen. I will let you all know what happens,and maybe my wife can put some pictures up, but I cant promise that one. If I do get the creep feeder I think I have decided to use whole oats in it for a while. I have probably 1000lb that I cleaned to plant with last summer when I cut oats. The rain has made winter planting impossible here so, I will use that up first I guess