Civil war

[Caustic Burno]

Also, it is absurd (and insulting) to suggest all those folks went to war and did not even know what they were fighting for. Entire families were completely wiped out. They did not own slaves, never did, and never intended to.

There are people ready for Texas to succeed right now, today. You can go to other threads in this forum and read about Martial Law being imposed. Is this about slavery too????

Those wanting Texas to seceed now are probably out of the the same lineage and mentality that volunteered to fight in the civil war without having a clue what it was all about or even who the enemy was. Most thought it was going to be little more than a few attacks and then all would be fine within a few weeks or months. (yeah read those letters home). Act first then worry about the consequences latter if ever. Like it or not the south did not want to lose $6 billion dollars worth of slaves (that's in 1860's dollars). Don't tell me they weren't important to those that had them. It supported their entire lifestyle. If you weren't a rich land owner you were only one level above a slave, always working for the "man" and barely surviving. be nice we brag about how hard it was.

We (the south) got our asses handed to us. That's about all the real history that matters. All the rebel battle flags in the south won't change that.

TB a lot of that lineage you talk about is the same type of people fought in one that started July 4, 1776.
When it comes to tyranny it is always the one willing to sacrifice everything for freedom we all benefit from.
Tyranny is alive and well in this country today as we are being regulated by law's and taxes by unelected offical's and organizations.
America has had two Civil Wars the one that started in 1776 and 1861 sure is funny how one is not viewed a civil war but one for liberty and just cause and the other as not.

Some of Jefferson's wise quote's that as true today as when he wrote them.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

 

[larryshoat]

It is interesting that as human beings, no matter how advanced we become, we still settle our differences the same way......... by killing each other.

I suppose the south would have a lot better shot this time since there is very little manufacturing left in the north. Both sides would have to wait on supplies from China. Neither side would have gloves, since there is not a pair made in this country. And those slaves that they turned loose all those years ago, my how they have grown......exit strategy? I wonder what it was and when it will take effect. Hint: there was no exit strategy.

What the civil war was fought over is of little consequence compared to the consequence of slavery, which I think will be the downfall of this country. Look at what we're spending now to try to fix the problem. The government takes a third of our money now and if that ain't bad enough for every dollar they get from us they borrow 40 cents to go with it. Slavery is a cancer on this country that has been growing since the 1800's it's just a matter of time till it kills the patient.

Larry

 

[Commercialfarmer]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Be very careful CB. Quoting lines from Jefferson like this may be perceived as a threat against the great one resulting in your detention. :roll:




I don't know of any civilization up to modern times that has not had slavery. Read any history at all, it was there all along. It was not introduced to America by the colonial settlers by the way. Native's already had their own. And what is being done for all the Irish slave decedents?

Is slavery wrong? Yes, but the issue we are facing today is not because of slavery in the past. The issue we are facing today is because our government and a faction of our population has decided to sale the idea of victimization.

When I was young, we rented several quarters from our neighbor's who were about a generation older than my grandparents and were black. They had several rental houses as well. How did they make it? They worked. Their kids worked and didn't receive anything from their parents until their parents were gone. That is what so many people don't see- they were already going to be successful. Success isn't handed down.

The reason we are going to hell in a hand basket is because of a few things: this idea of victimization and envy- "I deserve something", the fact that we have thrown our road map out of the schools and homes (the bible), and broken up the families.

If you look closely at family unity, you will see a strong correlation between success and failure of the family unit and success and failure of the children in life. This is a major reason why so many descendants of former slaves today are in poverty.

This is a good read: http://www.civilwarhome.com/freedmen.htm

Despite its accomplishments, the Freedmen's Bureau was also known to be a corrupt and often inefficient organization. Although Howard himself was above reproach, the agents in the field, usually left completely to their own devices, used their positions to exact money and power from the very people they were meant to serve.
In December 1865, the Radical Republicans in Congress managed to pass a strengthened Freedman's Bureau Act, but were disappointed when President Andrew Johnson vetoed it.
Officially existing for just one year, plagued by corruption, and lacking enough funding and manpower to complete what was indeed a Herculean task, the bureau nonetheless made great strides in providing newly emancipated negros with access to equal justice, fair labor practices, land, and education.
In order to fully understand the plight of the freed slaves and what brought about the Freedmen's Bureau one must fully examine the slavery issue as it existed in the country at the time. To do that, both the Preliminary and the Final reports of the Freedmen's Inquiry Commission are provided. These are extracted in their entirety from the "Official Records of the War of the Rebellion."

Remind you of anything?

The commission's key conclusion was that no bureau or agency set up to help the ex-slaves should become a permanent institution but should instead encourage the negros to become self-reliant as quickly as possible.

It is not that I don't have compassion for the slaves of the past, because I do- all of them throughout history. But making their descendants slaves to the government is not to their benefit.

 

[chrisy]

WOW! a few photo's seems to have started a battle all over again, a one on words this time, sounds like the South North devide we seem to have here, the English and the Scots - that started hundreds of years ago and no one seems to know the real reason why, but still it goes on. Madness can we change the history books no, and no-one alive today was there to say the real truth so we go on believing what we are told, but does it really matter what's going on today should involve our thinking, and no not forget the past as we don't want that sort of thing to happen again, but move on and learn from it, then look to the future the things we can change hopefully for the better... :hide: as looking back at the past all we are doing it :deadhorse: flogging it.

 

[Jogeephus]

WOW! a few photo's seems to have started a battle all over again, a one on words this time, sounds like the South North devide we seem to have here, the English and the Scots - that started hundreds of years ago and no one seems to know the real reason why, but still it goes on. Madness can we change the history books no, and no-one alive today was there to say the real truth so we go on believing what we are told, but does it really matter what's going on today should involve our thinking, and no not forget the past as we don't want that sort of thing to happen again, but move on and learn from it, then look to the future the things we can change hopefully for the better... :hide: as looking back at the past all we are doing it :deadhorse: flogging it.

Chrisy, just for your information I'd be careful how you use that C word. We've had about all of that we can take. :mrgreen:

 

[Ryder]

To just forget the past and move on means that a new cycle has started around the same track.
History will repeat itsself.

Could it be that real and proper change can only come about when there are those that see and know right and will not let it go, even though they be in the minority?
Just wondering. :roll:

 

[ALACOWMAN]

well to get it back on track a little... heres to the ones that died in battle.. for whatever cause they might have had :hat: and no i wont forget............ ever :cowboy:

 

[melking]

I second that AC!

 

[TexasBred]

To just forget the past and move on means that a new cycle has started around the same track.
History will repeat itsself.

Could it be that real and proper change can only come about when there are those that see and know right and will not let it go, even though they be in the minority?
Just wondering. :roll:

Saw this over on Ranchers and borrowed it. Thought it was pretty appropriate about not forgetting the past.

Perfect Quote: "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

 

[Caustic Burno]

Me three I will never forget it is part of our heritage right, wrong or indifferent.
The divide is about slavery today as well.

Difference this time there is only one master.

The founding fathers never meant for the system to be working the way it is today.
The great downfall of the country jumped on a runaway train under LBJ's Great Society.
LBJ ripped the lid off the SS fund box to fund his pet socialist project's. Medicaid, HUD, Welfare are driving the current divide and bankrupting the country. It has got the the point they have robbed Peter to pay Paul and Peter is tapped out.
Had they left SS alone it would have may have had to been tweaked not destoyed. You can't keep robbing from the people that paid into the fund and paying those that haven't and remain solvent.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjD2YugD ... re=related the irish brigades on both sides

 

[Jogeephus]

To just forget the past and move on means that a new cycle has started around the same track.
History will repeat itsself.

Could it be that real and proper change can only come about when there are those that see and know right and will not let it go, even though they be in the minority?
Just wondering. :roll:

Saw this over on Ranchers and borrowed it. Thought it was pretty appropriate about not forgetting the past.

Perfect Quote: "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

On this note I'd like to just pose something to think about. Just think for a minute about Nazi Germany. Have you ever wondered how one man could exterminate 6 million people? I used to wonder this myself because how on earth could one man take an otherwise peaceful, law abiding, Christian citizens and have them commit mass murder on such a horrendous scale. What I learned was not only did he exterminate the Jews he stole from them and gave their property to the so-called "deserving citizens". You needn't reply to this post as it will go nowhere but to the locked chamber but I think its worth thinking about.

 

[TexasBred]

Why did people support Hitler?
Hitler promised people what they wanted

 

[SSGenetics]

Why did people support Hitler?
Hitler promised people what they wanted

Sounds familiar doesnt it? Scary.... :shock:

 

[highgrit]

Well we the working people are the slaves. I have to bust my tail to make a living and pay my share, so the have nots, and deadbeats can have free phones, free rent, free health care, free food, and free this and free that. And I'am getting tired of being a SLAVE to the government.

 

[backhoeboogie]

What the be nice does a family feud have to do with a civil war killing over a half million people, wounding three times that many and resulting basically in the total destruction of the south?? Nobody is saying ALL southerners owned slaves. I even said that. But 99% agreed to fight for the south and in doing so fight for the right to own slaves. The huge majority were dirt poor and barely above the level of slaves. Share croppers if you will, that "as the song says" owed their soul to the company store. And nearly 200 years latter loons are saying "The south will rise again". :bs: :bs: :bs: Get over it, grow up and move on. It ain't gonna happen. Complain about history being rewritten all you want. Condemn the reconstruction...It doesn't change the end result and it shouldn't blemish what we are today. It's fine to be proud of your ancestors regardless of which side they fought on but what they did doesn't make me or you doodily shyt.

I cited a couple (only two) examples of what romanticism does TB. I thought you might grasp the concept but apparently not. Keep believing that tyranny did not exist, the north did nothing wrong, recession was warranted, and that the war was all about slavery. I've got some ocean front here you might be interested in. (by the way, the ocean front doesn't have anything to do with the war either so don't strain your brain over that).

 

[backhoeboogie]

Why did people support Hitler?
Hitler promised people what they wanted

And what does Hitler have to do with it TB?

You sure like to live by your rules and your rules only it seems.

 

[JSCATTLE]

The civil war was horrible no mAtter what the reason was for it being fought . But I suspect people were pretty tired of the way things were being done just like people are getting tired of the way things are going now . Problem is the USA no longer runs the USA . We are run by the u n and OPEC . The next fight is gonna be a world war . And if I was alive back during the civil war i would have suited up for the south . I've got a cousin I won't talk to because he's a liberal . No way I could fight for thier ideology .

 

[MistyMorning]

For all you beyotching and moaning about how terrible the state of the union is today and how we could be leading into a modern day civil war I will toss my two cents into the fray..... How could having a modern day civil war in any way shape or form be beneficial to our society? It's so easy to sit back in your puter chair and wax on and on and on about how terrible things are and yet is that the intent and spirit of an "AMERICAN"? We are the GREATEST country in the world! We are at war within ourselves, so why don't we all stand up and FIGHT FOR our country, work together, find workable solutions and quit expecting everyting to go our way NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POLITICS ARE!!!!!!!

 

[Caustic Burno]

For all you beyotching and moaning about how terrible the state of the union is today and how we could be leading into a modern day civil war I will toss my two cents into the fray..... How could having a modern day civil war in any way shape or form be beneficial to our society? It's so easy to sit back in your puter chair and wax on and on and on about how terrible things are and yet is that the intent and spirit of an "AMERICAN"? We are the GREATEST country in the world! We are at war within ourselves, so why don't we all stand up and FIGHT FOR our country, work together, find workable solutions and quit expecting everyting to go our way NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POLITICS ARE!!!!!!!

That is simple the ideological divide has gotten so wide in this country.
No matter the issue there is no common ground between the conservative and progressive camp's.
We can't sustain the road we are on something has to rip or tear.
Secondly the media is adding kindling everyday, new's is distorted to reflect the view of the network broadcasting the "news". Just look at the media's view of the Tea party and the Occupy Wall Street.
Used to be new's was reported as "And that is the way it was" you decided.
Today it is being used as a brainwashing tool to change social and political attitudes.