Church shooting in SC.

[bball]

The issue in this country is consequences. The consequences for this type of behavior isn't tough enough. On top of that, most of these people aren't concerned with the value of life, even their own. And we don't have a continent to ship them all off to, like Australia or even the Americas. We just keep mortaring together more taxpayer funded housing (read prison) where they can become more educated, 3 squares, and physical fitness. System is broken, and PC solutions arent working.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Its a tragedy! My heart and prayers go out to the families that lost loved ones at the hands of a dam nut-job.

In a church..........no place is safe from whackos. All the more reason to be able to conceal carry. Had someone in that church been "packin",besides the deranged creep, less lives would have been lost.

Sad day indeed.

The people that carry at our church are strategical placed.
Sad day when you feel to go to church you need to be armed and ready to defend yourself.
If you would have told me this 30 years ago I would have said you were nuts.
IMOO there is a long list of issues.
Goes back to the breakdown of society and the family unit.
Lack of use of the church doors in the formative years.
As a society we have turned away from God IMO.
Welfare State
Single Parent homes especially in the formative years.
Inclusion in school.
Drugs
Mental cases that roam among society that were wards of the state 40 years ago.
Rampant pornography and immortality on the internet and TV.

 

[torogmc81]

Its a tragedy! My heart and prayers go out to the families that lost loved ones at the hands of a dam nut-job.

In a church..........no place is safe from whackos. All the more reason to be able to conceal carry. Had someone in that church been "packin",besides the deranged creep, less lives would have been lost.

Sad day indeed.

The people that carry at our church are strategical placed.
Sad day when you feel to go to church you need to be armed and ready to defend yourself.
If you would have told me this 30 years ago I would have said you were nuts.
IMOO there is a long list of issues.
Goes back to the breakdown of society and the family unit.
Lack of use of the church doors in the formative years.
As a society we have turned away from God IMO.
Welfare State
Single Parent homes especially in the formative years.
Inclusion in school.
Drugs
Mental cases that roam among society that were wards of the state 40 years ago.
Rampant pornography and immortality on the internet and TV.

Very well stated CB.

Sad that we have the mindset in church to be "guarded". With anything possible, anywhere, anytime, it's not crazy to be that prepared at yours and other churchs and other areas of gatherings of large groups of people.

Churchs see a lot of homeless, and needy sometimes mental traffic, more than one might think. 99.99% of the time they are harmless. Not saying he was seeking help or guidance, but I'm sure they noticed a stranger in their presence

2009, Maryville, Illinois First Baptist Church, Pastor Winters was shot and killed. I'm not more than 20 minutes from there, and actually attended the church when dating a girl that was a member back when I was in college, in the early 2000s. I was in shock, disgust, disappointment, and was again last night and today, and will be the same the next time it happens. They are saying the Charleston shooter's mom wants no thought of questioning, interview, etc. 21 is just a number, obviously this KID was far from manhood. His Uncle's statements back what I and others are assuming. This crap is being passed from generation to generation, growing worse as passed down ..... coddling, constant babysitting and handholding, enabling, no foundation of respect, responsibilities, discipline, accountability, self-esteem ..... the list goes on forever

 

[John Reb]

Compatriot's, please ask a prayer for us all..... not only for So. Caro., but our nation as well...... J Reb....

 

[greybeard]

There is little doubt that this crime was precipitated by a hatred for those of a different color and race, and (easily arguably) a smatherring of anti-religion zealism and a garden variety's sociopath behavior thrown in for good measure.
Drugs could also play a part--the coward was caught with a prescription drug (not his prescription) in his possession at a mall last March. Suboxone

I have to do this. You are raping our women and taking over this country and you have to go:
Dylann Roof while killing innocent men and women in Charleston S.C.

He reloaded up to 5 times according to survivors.
Hate needs no firearm.
If not a gun, it would have been a firebomb, or a noose, or a baseball bat, or a firehose, or drug behind a car, or a tree and a bullwhip. History is mute testimony to that.

 

[bball]

Goes back to the breakdown of society and the family unit.
Lack of use of the church doors in the formative years.
As a society we have turned away from God IMO.
Welfare State
Single Parent homes especially in the formative years.
Inclusion in school.
Drugs
Mental cases that roam among society that were wards of the state 40 years ago.
Rampant pornography and immortality on the internet and TV.

These are many of the symptoms of the bigger problem in this country:

We have abandoned the sacrificial nature that founded, established and defended this country. It has been traded in for self entitlement and a non-sacrificial mindset.
This is the lesson I have taught to everyone of my children, because I believe the following to be true: Love IS sacrifice. That's what love means, that's what love does, and that's what love IS. Sacrifice means putting someone else's needs before your own without any personal gain for yourself. The greatest example in history is Christ on the cross. Whether a person is Christian or not, the example can not be argued with. He gave his body and blood over to death for what He believed to be the salvation of humanity. Many generations of Americans have made tremendous sacrifice for the betterment of the nation and the people that live in it. That is the definition of love. And sadly that mindset is disappearing rapidly. It's spilled over to the home and family, where father's and mothers aren't willing to sacrifice their own wants for the needs of their offspring. The sacrificial nature is gone in this ME centered world...and with it's disappearance, love goes as well. Self love isn't love, it's self slavery. Love only exists when you put someone or something before yourself. It seems each generation in our country becomes less sacrificial than the one before....and it seems we are running on fumes now. I agree CB, church was a great place to learn about sacrifice, but noone has taught me more than listening to men from the generation that is now in their mid to late 80s. Those men and women knew a thing or two about love, sacrifice and doing what's right. That's the problem in homes nowadays, no sacrifice. Take the easy way, or the path of least resistance, the one that requires no personal sacrifice. Only job in this world more difficult than being a decent father, is being a decent mother.

 

[HDRider]

Good post bball.

 

[TexasBred]

Compatriot's, please ask a prayer for us all..... not only for So. Caro., but our nation as well...... J Reb....

You got it buddy. :nod:

 

[Caustic Burno]

Goes back to the breakdown of society and the family unit.
Lack of use of the church doors in the formative years.
As a society we have turned away from God IMO.
Welfare State
Single Parent homes especially in the formative years.
Inclusion in school.
Drugs
Mental cases that roam among society that were wards of the state 40 years ago.
Rampant pornography and immortality on the internet and TV.

These are many of the symptoms of the bigger problem in this country:

We have abandoned the sacrificial nature that founded, established and defended this country. It has been traded in for self entitlement and a non-sacrificial mindset.
This is the lesson I have taught to everyone of my children, because I believe the following to be true: Love IS sacrifice. That's what love means, that's what love does, and that's what love IS. Sacrifice means putting someone else's needs before your own without any personal gain for yourself. The greatest example in history is Christ on the cross. Whether a person is Christian or not, the example can not be argued with. He gave his body and blood over to death for what He believed to be the salvation of humanity. Many generations of Americans have made tremendous sacrifice for the betterment of the nation and the people that live in it. That is the definition of love. And sadly that mindset is disappearing rapidly. It's spilled over to the home and family, where father's and mothers aren't willing to sacrifice their own wants for the needs of their offspring. The sacrificial nature is gone in this ME centered world...and with it's disappearance, love goes as well. Self love isn't love, it's self slavery. Love only exists when you put someone or something before yourself. It seems each generation in our country becomes less sacrificial than the one before....and it seems we are running on fumes now. I agree CB, church was a great place to learn about sacrifice, but noone has taught me more than listening to men from the generation that is now in their mid to late 80s. Those men and women knew a thing or two about love, sacrifice and doing what's right. That's the problem in homes nowadays, no sacrifice. Take the easy way, or the path of least resistance, the one that requires no personal sacrifice. Only job in this world more difficult than being a decent father, is being a decent mother.

Todays technology of iphones , facebook etc is training a bunch of narcissist as well IMO as everything people do today
is about self. They do not know how to interact or communicate with people only a computer.
Their sole source of information and interaction comes from a screen. They even bully behind a screen and lack of social skills
makes them unable to cope with real life situations. It also allows them to isolate themselves to only like minded people like a herd of sheep.
Read an interesting article a while back that some schools in Russia were asking for Bibles to teach ethics with.
They had no clue where to start as they had been programmed for over a century
Today's media,schools,universities,internet has been programming the youth of our country in exceptance of many
things that go against natural social order. It is actually a challenge to find programming suitable for kids today.
Even the cartoons have subliminal messages of liberal/socialist ideology inserted in them.
Our schools today as a whole teach against the family IMO they are indoctrinating the youth no different than Hitler or Tojo.
We have lost our public schools to the Feds for 30 pieces of silver. Why do we even need a department of education.
That should be left up to the state and local level on what is acceptable in our schools.

 

[D2Cat]

Speaking of parents, "Only job in this world more difficult than being a decent father, is being a decent mother."

This killer dropped out of school after flunking the 9th grade. His dad gave him a gun for his 21st birthday, a 45 cal. So his dad isn't too smart either. Kid has no skills, no job. Give him a gun. Where does he get the funds for ammo? How does he get a car and gas to drive 200 miles to kill? Could no one around this guy see he was an accident waiting to happen?

There's a reason the parents haven't been seen in the news!

 

[Bestoutwest]

Even the cartoons have subliminal messages of liberal/socialist ideology inserted in them.

I can't agree with this statement at all. I have a 4 y/o, and we watch a lot of cartoons. I'm pretty cynical, and consider myself a moderate. I'm liberal in some areas, conservative in others. Mostly, I'm concerned with the good of society, not the individual. The reason I'm saying this is that I look at most things with a cynic's viewpoint. I look at a lot of things for the 'greater picture,' the hidden message if you will. There are not, as you say, a lot of cartoons that promote liberal/socialist issues. Rather, they promote a lack of class, crassness, rudeness and cheap, unsophisticated humor (Spongebob is one of the worst. There's another one with two ducks that we watched 5 minutes of that I can't remember). My son is allowed to only watch two cartoons from a cable network and then it's all learning cartoons from PBS or Pixar films (which if you consider teaching children how to read and to abstain from littering pushing a socialist agenda-I'm sorry for you. This isn't a personal attack, but rather for everyone on here).

Parents need to stop relying on schools to do their job for them. My son, who won't be in school for another two years b/c of a late birthday, can already read, is learning to write, can count, add, simple subtraction, etc b/c we teach him at home. I will teach him s3x education when the time is appropriate b/c our schools here teach abstinance only. I will teach him how to respect all people as good human beings until they give him a reason not to. I will teach him to respect women. And most of all, I will teach him how to be a good human being because as a parent THAT IS MY DAMN JOB AND NOT COMPLETELY THE JOB OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

I believe that the massive turn in society is infact from the media, but all facets. Video games are extremely violent (you can beat up prostitues after they service you in one). Movies that are not appropriate for small children are marketed to them through toys (ie all superhero movies) and their parents allow them to watch them. Then there's the internet which is an absolute free-for-all of innappropriate things that even most adults shouldn't be viewing/watching/reading. It allows for psychopaths from around the world to gather in one central place to feed on each other. And getting to my point is that this is probably what happened in South Carolina. This kid was a racist, psychotic and able to feed that through online interactions until something snapped in him and he thought it was a good idea to gun down a bunch of innocent people just trying to have a good evening.

 

[torogmc81]

More to add to the discussion of WHY, possibly ....

http://madworldnews.com/nearly-every-ma ... t-weapons/

 

[bball]

Even the cartoons have subliminal messages of liberal/socialist ideology inserted in them.

I can't agree with this statement at all. I have a 4 y/o, and we watch a lot of cartoons. I'm pretty cynical, and consider myself a moderate. I'm liberal in some areas, conservative in others. Mostly, I'm concerned with the good of society, not the individual. The reason I'm saying this is that I look at most things with a cynic's viewpoint. I look at a lot of things for the 'greater picture,' the hidden message if you will. There are not, as you say, a lot of cartoons that promote liberal/socialist issues. Rather, they promote a lack of class, crassness, rudeness and cheap, unsophisticated humor (Spongebob is one of the worst. There's another one with two ducks that we watched 5 minutes of that I can't remember). My son is allowed to only watch two cartoons from a cable network and then it's all learning cartoons from PBS or Pixar films (which if you consider teaching children how to read and to abstain from littering pushing a socialist agenda-I'm sorry for you. This isn't a personal attack, but rather for everyone on here).

Parents need to stop relying on schools to do their job for them. My son, who won't be in school for another two years b/c of a late birthday, can already read, is learning to write, can count, add, simple subtraction, etc b/c we teach him at home. I will teach him s3x education when the time is appropriate b/c our schools here teach abstinance only. I will teach him how to respect all people as good human beings until they give him a reason not to. I will teach him to respect women. And most of all, I will teach him how to be a good human being because as a parent THAT IS MY be nice JOB AND NOT COMPLETELY THE JOB OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

I believe that the massive turn in society is infact from the media, but all facets. Video games are extremely violent (you can beat up prostitues after they service you in one). Movies that are not appropriate for small children are marketed to them through toys (ie all superhero movies) and their parents allow them to watch them. Then there's the internet which is an absolute free-for-all of innappropriate things that even most adults shouldn't be viewing/watching/reading. It allows for psychopaths from around the world to gather in one central place to feed on each other. And getting to my point is that this is probably what happened in South Carolina. This kid was a racist, psychotic and able to feed that through online interactions until something snapped in him and he thought it was a good idea to gun down a bunch of innocent people just trying to have a good evening.

I really like your post. Pretty much where I'm at with things. Only thing I see differently, is the internet/technology thing. If parents actually did their job (like your doing) the internet and technology don't have to be the end all villian. It's parental responsibility and accountability that's lacking. No willngness to sacrifice and do the HARD part and actually raise your kid, know where they are and what the heck they are doing. It's just easier to let the internet, schools,coaches, kids, gangs, drugs, or any other interest raise them. I totally agree with you about s3x ed too. There are people lined up around the block to tell kids about s3x, when in reality that's a parents job, plain and simple. Again, awesome post.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Even the cartoons have subliminal messages of liberal/socialist ideology inserted in them.

I can't agree with this statement at all. I have a 4 y/o, and we watch a lot of cartoons. I'm pretty cynical, and consider myself a moderate. I'm liberal in some areas, conservative in others. Mostly, I'm concerned with the good of society, not the individual. The reason I'm saying this is that I look at most things with a cynic's viewpoint. I look at a lot of things for the 'greater picture,' the hidden message if you will. There are not, as you say, a lot of cartoons that promote liberal/socialist issues. Rather, they promote a lack of class, crassness, rudeness and cheap, unsophisticated humor (Spongebob is one of the worst. There's another one with two ducks that we watched 5 minutes of that I can't remember). My son is allowed to only watch two cartoons from a cable network and then it's all learning cartoons from PBS or Pixar films (which if you consider teaching children how to read and to abstain from littering pushing a socialist agenda-I'm sorry for you. This isn't a personal attack, but rather for everyone on here).

Parents need to stop relying on schools to do their job for them. My son, who won't be in school for another two years b/c of a late birthday, can already read, is learning to write, can count, add, simple subtraction, etc b/c we teach him at home. I will teach him s3x education when the time is appropriate b/c our schools here teach abstinance only. I will teach him how to respect all people as good human beings until they give him a reason not to. I will teach him to respect women. And most of all, I will teach him how to be a good human being because as a parent THAT IS MY be nice JOB AND NOT COMPLETELY THE JOB OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

I believe that the massive turn in society is infact from the media, but all facets. Video games are extremely violent (you can beat up prostitues after they service you in one). Movies that are not appropriate for small children are marketed to them through toys (ie all superhero movies) and their parents allow them to watch them. Then there's the internet which is an absolute free-for-all of innappropriate things that even most adults shouldn't be viewing/watching/reading. It allows for psychopaths from around the world to gather in one central place to feed on each other. And getting to my point is that this is probably what happened in South Carolina. This kid was a racist, psychotic and able to feed that through online interactions until something snapped in him and he thought it was a good idea to gun down a bunch of innocent people just trying to have a good evening.

Academia and the Media is virtually controlled by liberal/socialist.And you think they
are not broadcasting their message. Sponge Bob goes green is not a liberal message.
Bonjour

 

[Bestoutwest]

Academia and the Media is virtually controlled by liberal/socialist.And you think they
are not broadcasting their message. Sponge Bob goes green is not a liberal message.
Bonjour

You know, now that I think about it, Curious George was carrying around a red flag in that one episode that taught kids about how to prevent spreading germs by washing their hands. And I never thought about it, but The Man With the Yellow Hat sure does look a lot like Kim Jong Un.

Look, I've had college professors that were registered marxists and communists. I'm not kidding. I could spot their movites a mile away, and if you think that Curious George is ruining America, you've got another thing coming. I'll give it to you that the media is pretty liberal. Socialist? Maybe in some cases, but I honestly feel like that word gets thrown out there too frequently and in inappropriate settings.

Relax, Curious George is not going to hand us to the Chinese. Just Obama and the Republican congress with this new trade "deal."

 

[TexasBred]

Speaking of parents, "Only job in this world more difficult than being a decent father, is being a decent mother."

This killer dropped out of school after flunking the 9th grade. His dad gave him a gun for his 21st birthday, a 45 cal. So his dad isn't too smart either. Kid has no skills, no job. Give him a gun. Where does he get the funds for ammo? How does he get a car and gas to drive 200 miles to kill? Could no one around this guy see he was an accident waiting to happen?

There's a reason the parents haven't been seen in the news!

D2 he probably also had one of dad's credit cards of a debit card in his pocket. Seems he got about anything he wanted.

 

[highgrit]

Why is this person still breathing? This young man should be shot in the head and cremated. We need to be done with it and move on.

Bestoutwest, You must not watch much TV, or your views just match what you see and hear. You have queers, interracial marriages, transvestites, liberals and other POS on TV. Look at how many queers and colored folks are on TV now, compared to ten years ago. Our God and his places of worship are taking a beating. And the farther we move to the left, the further were falling as a country and as a human race.