Chianina Website with address

[choward2955jd]

Sorry i forgot to add the website:
www.champagnefarm.com
Here is our website if you would like to learn more about the breed we have begun a website with our fullblood herd and our chianina cross cows. All of our bulls are priced at $1500.00 each and heifers are priced by weight and age. If you have more questions about our herd please feel free to gives us an email or call.
Thanks

 

[VLS_GUY]

Nice to see something different. No one can accuse you of over pricing your bull calves at $ 1,500 each. I would add performance data and pictures on the bulls you are trying to sell (EPDs?). Also I would address the disposion issue as this is the biggest issue you have. I would also post this link at steerplanet as some people were looking for a FB Chianina source.
Are you using new Italian genetics?

 

[cow pollinater]

I think I'd try to get a picture of them standing still instead of the bolting cows and calves picture. I also think I'd take down the pictures of the crossbreds... They're not helping you.

 

[Taurus]

I think I'd try to get a picture of them standing still instead of the bolting cows and calves picture. I also think I'd take down the pictures of the crossbreds... They're not helping you.

Agreed with the crossbreds, the pictures needs to be removed if you want the buyers buying your cattle. Main issue with your crossbreds is the udders.

 

[VLS_GUY]

Agreed on the Maine cross cow. She is an obvious cull due to udder problems. Just what is the market you see for your cattle?

 

[choward2955jd]

I agree we just weaned a 721 pound steer from at 6 months old last year. I think she is not that good

 

[Taurus]

Agreed on the Maine cross cow. She is an obvious cull due to udder problems. Just what is the market you see for your cattle?

Well the Maine cross cow isn't the only with udder problems. Some crossbreds also have udder problems too....frankly their udders are too ugly to look at.

 

[VLS_GUY]

Every cow not matter how good she was in the past can develop problems that require culling. This cow is at that point. If you are progressing in your herd development you should have replacement heifers that are as good or better than her so you will gain in herd performance-not lose it by culling.

 

[Massey135]

The 2479S bull is pretty good looking - much better than I expected to see. The udders on those cows and as others have stated, the pics of crossbreds, are highly embarrassing to your online presence. If I went to a ranch of any breed and saw udders like those, no matter how good the cows look otherwise, I'd get in my truck and leave. Frankly, they're just unacceptable.

 

[choward2955jd]

Which cows are you looking at?? what is their name I have only 3 pictures of cows that even show their udder. Eaxh of these cows shown had an average weaning weight at 6 months old between 600-721lbs

 

[Taurus]

The Maine cross, the red cow and two black cows with white udders are the cows I am talking about. It doesn't matter if they can weaned off heavy calves but the buyers want a functional animal that is looking good. Your crossbreds are scaring your potential buyers away. Who would buy your calves that come from a herd full of cows with deformed udders?

 

[choward2955jd]

Hay lets see your cows see what we can pick apart on them. Most of my buyers 99% are feed lot buyers that i sell them at the yards. We just began selling bulls yes we are working on our cows. I have been raising this breed for almost 30 years i know what needs improved but we do not have a cow on our farm that will wean a calf at 6 months old under 600lbs. I know it is human nature to pick something apart before you buy it but I think if you look at the cows you will see if they were not good cows I would noty have them.

 

[Isomade]

Hay lets see your cows see what we can pick apart on them. Most of my buyers 99% are feed lot buyers that i sell them at the yards. We just began selling bulls yes we are working on our cows. I have been raising this breed for almost 30 years i know what needs improved but we do not have a cow on our farm that will wean a calf at 6 months old under 600lbs. I know it is human nature to pick something apart before you buy it but I think if you look at the cows you will see if they were not good cows I would noty have them.

They are talking about the fact that those cows are on your website. From what I can see folks are just being honest with you and trying to help you. If you want to keep them on there that's your business and no one here has a thing to lose either way. Personally I don't own a cow like that because I won't let one stay on the place, but if I did I sure wouldn't advertise it on my website.

 

[djinwa]

I agree we just weaned a 721 pound steer from at 6 months old last year. I think she is not that good

So about how big a cow is she? Frame score and weight?

 

[choward2955jd]

1300lbs frame score of 6-6.5

 

[djinwa]

You can produce okay with a bad udder, but the question might be for how many years. A good udder should last longer with fewer problems.

There are always exceptions - just telling you the generally accepted ideas. You can read more here:

http://beef.unl.edu/learning/udder_score.shtml

 

[Taurus]

You can produce okay with a bad udder, but the question might be for how many years. A good udder should last longer with fewer problems.

There are always exceptions - just telling you the generally accepted ideas. You can read more here:

http://beef.unl.edu/learning/udder_score.shtml

The real issue is that the OP is advertising cows with bad udder on the public website. The reason he create the website so his potential buyers can buy his products. The buyers come to checking out the website, only find cows with gross-looking udders that would make the potential buyers to hesitate for buying the OP's products. That will hurt his business. I do not say that he has to get rid of these cows, he just needs to put up the pictures of better quality crossbreds instead of cows with bad udders.

 

[choward2955jd]

Well my idea for my website was that i wanted to eventaully show all of my cows nt just the best ones. I would rather let anyone see all of my cows and see that we are not perfect with our cow herd and yes we have areas that i want to improve on. How many good cows are on farms and ranches that are not perfect looking cows?? I bet more than the perfect cows. Anyone who calls me at home and ask about our calving issues with our percentage bulls or fullbloods i do not tell them that they will have no calving probelms. I tell them the truth that yes the chianina breed will have calviong problems. (A foot turned wrong or a calf that comes backwards etc..) I cant count the times i have talked to people about bulls and the first thing they say is (No you want have calving problems) such bull crap. All breeds will have problems just as some of you have pointed out 3-4 cows out of 120 that you think have problems. We are adding more of our cows dailey to the site and letting people see that we have cows of all kinds. Yes we are working to take out certain cows with problems but until these cows you say are bad stop weaning calves at 6 months old at 600lbs or more with no creep feed Iwill not sell them. I think my cows are as good as some breeders who have bred their cows so small that they look like cattle from the 1950's. I Most of those bad cows as some you have called them have daughters and grand daughters in our her that are producing as doo or better than their mothers or grandmothers.
Again lets see some of your cows and see what things we can hen peck them over. When we sell bulls or heifers to folks i always tell them there is no sure fire chance of problems with our cattle. To tell someone who buys a bull that they will have no calving problems is out right lie. Anything from anybreed can happen.
Look forward to seeing your cows. Keep looking we will have more cows on on our site dailey. Feel free to hen peck on them all you want

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Man don't be so sensitive, you got some good advice here and I'm frankly surprised nobody busted on you for posting an ad.

 

[SSGenetics]

Well my idea for my website was that i wanted to eventaully show all of my cows nt just the best ones. I would rather let anyone see all of my cows and see that we are not perfect with our cow herd and yes we have areas that i want to improve on. How many good cows are on farms and ranches that are not perfect looking cows?? I bet more than the perfect cows. Anyone who calls me at home and ask about our calving issues with our percentage bulls or fullbloods i do not tell them that they will have no calving probelms. I tell them the truth that yes the chianina breed will have calviong problems. (A foot turned wrong or a calf that comes backwards etc..) I cant count the times i have talked to people about bulls and the first thing they say is (No you want have calving problems) such bull crap. All breeds will have problems just as some of you have pointed out 3-4 cows out of 120 that you think have problems. We are adding more of our cows dailey to the site and letting people see that we have cows of all kinds. Yes we are working to take out certain cows with problems but until these cows you say are bad stop weaning calves at 6 months old at 600lbs or more with no creep feed Iwill not sell them. I think my cows are as good as some breeders who have bred their cows so small that they look like cattle from the 1950's. I Most of those bad cows as some you have called them have daughters and grand daughters in our her that are producing as doo or better than their mothers or grandmothers.
Again lets see some of your cows and see what things we can hen peck them over. When we sell bulls or heifers to folks i always tell them there is no sure fire chance of problems with our cattle. To tell someone who buys a bull that they will have no calving problems is out right lie. Anything from anybreed can happen.
Look forward to seeing your cows. Keep looking we will have more cows on on our site dailey. Feel free to hen peck on them all you want

A sound udder does not make a cow "perfect"... To be honest, people have been pretty mild while critiquing your cattle.

Take the advice you have been given. You are doing yourself an injustice advertising animals like that. :2cents: Even better, save some dollars and quit paying for a website and let them advertise themselves in the ring at the sale barn....

Justin (who does not have "perfect cows") :deadhorse: