Not really they bring nothing to the table. You gained virtually nothing with the English English composite.
They're as legit as Brangus or Braford... but not any of the legitimate, real breeds like Simmental or Charolais... or Hereford. Just one more crossbreed that has been allowed to pollute the validity of legitimate registries and make it harder for the industry as a whole. Not exactly snake oil... but certainly not the same as breeds with consistency and dependability within a breed as they evolve over hundreds of years in a common goal.
Wrong again. Black Herefords are as high as 63/64ths Hereford. Much higher percentage Hereford than Simmental are Simmental, or Charolais are Charolais. Both of those just have to be 7/8ths or more to be registered. In my lifetime, or at least as early as the 70's, Charolais, Simmental and Chiania semen were used to breed all kinds of cows, even grade cows, and the calf could be registered. They called this " breed up" programs. Simmental have as much if not more, Angus blood in them as today's Black Herefords do. Brangus and Braford are NOT crossbreds, They have their own DNA. A Brangus x Brangus is a Brangus. Brangus have been a recognized breed since 1949 and Braford since 1947. Over 20 years before there were "bred up" Charolais or Simmental here.
Can't speak for the others but Charolais bulls can't be registered unless the dam is atleast 15/16 and the calf has to be sired by a purebred bull which in the Charolais breed is considered the next generation beyond 15/16.
Actually, you are dead wrong on that too. For starters, Black Hereford are not composites. No more than Simmental, Limousine, Gelbeiv and Charolais are. They are an improved version of Hereford. Much like today's black Simms are an improved version of the Simmental (Fleckveih) that first came here and are still bred in Europe. And today's American Charolais vs the cow-killers that first came here in the 60's. There are no two Bos Taurus breeds with less shared DNA than Angus and Hereford. There is more shared DNA between Continental breeds and Angus, and continental breeds and Hereford, than there is between Herf and Ang This is why the black baldy has been such a popular cross. It achieves maximum hybrid vigor. No 2 bos taurus breeds are further apart than Angus and Hereford. Angus and Black Hereford crosses have the same hybrid vigor, because Black Hereford and red Hereford have nearly the same DNA make up, About like Simental and Fleckveih. Bos Indicus cattle, have absolutely no shared DNA with any Bos Taurus breed, so that is why those crosses achieve the max hybrid vigor. Developing the Black Hereford has NOT lost the hybrid vigor of Brahman/English or Continental cross. Nor has it lost the Continental/ English cross. The best Brahma x bos taurus cross for maximum heterosis is Brah x Herf. 2nd best is Bra x shorthorn and 3rd best is Br x Angus. 4th is the 1st Continental on the Brahma cross scale, Br x Charolais . Brah x Black Hereford gives you the exact amount of heterosis as a Br x red Hereford does. If Black Herefords are "Snake oil for black hair." then Simmental, Lims, and Gelbs are too., maybe even more so.
bout the same percentage Charolais as Black Herefords are Hereford.
This is the route I think I landed on. Not so much financial risk. But basically I'm going to keep my cows at least through calving. Cull a few there possibly then before summer. But originally I thought I needed to buy the whole 18hd. Today I ask to buy 12, he agreed. So I'm looking to basically trade my rep heifers and the cash for 12 3-5yr old cows, there's only 1 6 yr old and I can pick my 12. So I think this is best of both worlds. My friends with the great red angus herd will sell me heifers. So this way I'll get a jump out of these 12 and gradually build off the friends herd. Hopefully by the time prices fall again I'll be fully stocked and a younger herd for years to come. Yet get all the good out of my current best cows
Wrong again the Brangus and Branford's were created standardized composite to fill a need. LSU created Brangus to help cattlemen in southern climates to produce better cattle in an environment where English and Continental cattle couldn't thrive due to heat and parasites.They needed something other than longhorn.
Boy, people sure like to throw that "wrong" word around as though my criteria for what a legitimate breed is somehow less valid than theirs is... when both ideas are opinions.
Such blasphemous thoughts and words!!
And that is exactly how they hoodwinked the American public with the whole "Certified Angus" campaign.
100% agree. I'm using black sim angus bulls and will continue in these red angus. See how I like them, however long term I plan to try a red angus bull and a Hereford. The red angus for replacements. The Hereford for those baldies ppl pay top end for. I use 2 bulls anyway.
Thank you. I haven't gotten into the AI and embryo side of things. Seems like a lot of expense and very time consuming from guys I see doing it, but that's not to knock your reasoning of building a solid herd and quickly.
i do agree with telling them apart. It's much easier to notice one missing faster if you haven't seen them. Then go figure out why, calving, down etc. my point is calf uniformity to help in better sales. But make no mistake, my uniformity has come along ways over the years. When I started they sold in groups of 2-3 together and singles. This year it was one group of 4 heifers, group of 5 steers, and group of 11 steers. I kept heifers and butcher steers also. But to have 11 that matched was good for how I started.
Best looking cross ever to feed is a RA x Fleckveih . They make super cows too.
Use to be a member on here from Canada, that bred that cross..had a great looking herd.
I try to find the packages of "Certified Red Angus"...heard they were a little bit cheaper but just as good & tasty.
