I'm sure this has been discussed here before... w a lot of purebred breeders starting to say there is no need to buy anything but a calve ease bull bc even the calves ease bulls have the growth as the low calve easers. Question is, are you still giving something up in hip shape or size? Maybe some think the continued destruction of cattle by continuing to drive down bw, size, and shape. I say this as a commercial angus guy. Not as familiar w what the other breeds are doing. Comments?!