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[B&M Farms]

It was a war about slavery. Plain and simple.

 

[M-5]

It was a war about slavery. Plain and simple.

NOPE WRONG WRONG WRONG it was about money. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?"

Sherman and grant both owned slaves and freed them after the war. Heck Delaware didn't accept the 13th amendment till 1901. I guess ignorance is bliss for some folks.

 

[TexasBred]

Our ancestors gave their lives so we could have the freedom that we have.
When some coward politician tries to infringe on the freedom of the masses, because of the actions of one deviant. Makes a real dog and pony show out off it. It's cowardly and unamerican

Definitely unamerican in USA. That is the flag of what was a newly created nation150 years ago. Put it in the history books and museums.

 

[M-5]

Our ancestors gave their lives so we could have the freedom that we have.
When some coward politician tries to infringe on the freedom of the masses, because of the actions of one deviant. Makes a real dog and pony show out off it. It's cowardly and unamerican

Definitely unamerican in USA. That is the flag of what was a newly created nation150 years ago. Put it in the history books and museums.

TB It was the battle flag ONLY and was carried into battle the flag of the new nation was this one.

 

[slick4591]

Ran across this page shared by Col. West: Five facts about the Confederate flag.

Some need to go back and study their history. The Civil War started over northern aggression and southern states rights. Lincoln didn't bring slavery in it until a few years after the war started.

 

[TexasBred]

Actually there wer several "official" flags for the confederacy and yes it's the battle flag....but it is still a flag of a foreign country. It's the one also flown over all the "Six Flags" amusement parks.

 

[john250]

Wal-Mart says they will remove all traces of the offensive flag from their stores, including Lynryd Skynrd album covers. But: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/06 ... nist-thug/

 

[highgrit]

What the heck is removing the flag going to do? Maybe some sick white trash will get really pizzed off about it and see if they can top what the last jackass did. Instead of taking the flag down take the POS that killed them folks and take him down.

 

[TexasBred]

The American Civil War was Fought over Slavery
June 1, 2006 at 10:12 pm | Posted in Uncategorized | 47 Comments

You know there are actually things in life that still surprise me. For instance, libertarians today apparently believe the South was right in seceding away from the Union. Not only that, but they actually believe the South did not secede due to slavery. In this article libertarians think that the South was fighting for the same freedom as in the Revolutionary War!

But, if we actually look at the original documents themselves, we find a different story. Take a look at the following official declarations of secessions from several states.

Texas

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery – the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits – a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slaveholding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.

Georgia

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slaveholding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. This hostile policy of our confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people, and has placed the two sections of the Union for many years past in the condition of virtual civil war. Our people, still attached to the Union from habit and national traditions, and averse to change, hoped that time, reason, and argument would bring, if not redress, at least exemption from further insults, injuries, and dangers. Recent events have fully dissipated all such hopes and demonstrated the necessity of separation. Our Northern confederates, after a full and calm hearing of all the facts, after a fair warning of our purpose not to submit to the rule of the authors of all these wrongs and injuries, have by a large majority committed the Government of the United States into their hands. The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution. While the subordination and the political and social inequality of the African race was fully conceded by all, it was plainly apparent that slavery would soon disappear from what are now the non-slave-holding States of the original thirteen. The opposition to slavery was then, as now, general in those States and the Constitution was made with direct reference to that fact. But a distinct abolition party was not formed in the United States for more than half a century after the Government went into operation. The main reason was that the North, even if united, could not control both branches of the Legislature during any portion of that time.

Mississippi

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery – the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact, which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

Charles Joyner writes in Callaloo cal.1 (2001) 196-198:

Some South Carolinians deny that the Civil War was fought over slavery, maintaining that it was fought over the rights of the states to control their own destinies. Slavery, they believe, was incidental.

But when South Carolina delegates walked out of the 1860 Democratic National Convention in Charleston as a prelude to secession, their spokesman William Preston minced no words in declaring that "Slavery is our King; slavery is our Truth; slavery is our Divine Right." And a few months later when the signers of the South Carolina Ordinance of Secession issued their Declaration of the Causes of Secession, they specifically referred to the "domestic institution" of slavery. They objected that the free states have "denounced as sinful the institution of slavery." They charged that the free states had "encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain have been incited by emissaries, books, and pictures, to hostile insurrection."

Moreover, in 1861, as President and Vice President of the Confederate States of America, Jefferson Davis and Alexander H. Stephens each candidly acknowledged that their new nation was created for the specific purpose of perpetuating slavery. In an address to the Confederate Congress in April of 1861 Davis declared that "a persistent and organized system of hostile measures against the rights of the owners of slaves in the Southern States" had culminated in a political party dedicated to "annihilating in effect property worth thousands of dollars." Since "the labor of [End Page 196] African slaves was and is indispensable" to the South's production of cotton, rice, sugar, and tobacco, Davis said, "the people of the Southern States were driven by the conduct of the North to the adoption of some course of action to avert the danger with which they were openly menaced."

In a speech in Savannah, Stephens made it even clearer that the establishment of the Confederacy had "put to rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions–African slavery as it exists among us–the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution." He added that the Confederacy was "founded upon" what he called "the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

Running successfully for governor of South Carolina in the critical election of 1860, Francis W. Pickens left little doubt of his support for disunion and even war to perpetuate slavery. His sentiments were echoed by his old friend Edward Bryan, who declared in the campaign, "Give us slavery or give us death!" Pickens committed his state–and ours–to a ruinous course. "I would be willing to appeal to the gods of battles," he defiantly declared, "if need be, cover the state with ruin, conflagration and blood rather than submit." These are not interpretations by historians; they are statements made at the time by Confederate leaders explaining what they were doing and why.

After the war had been lost, and the Lost Cause was in need of justification, Davis and Stephens backed away from their original statements, casting the cause of the war in the context of "states rights." Their revisionist interpretation, in which slavery became not the cause but merely the "question" resolved on the field of battle, still misleads many South Carolinians. The historical record, however, clearly shows that the cause for which the South seceded and fought a devastating war was slavery.

Civil War, Economic Causes of (Issue).
Gale Encyclopedia of U.S. Economic History. Eds. Thomas Carson and Mary Bonk. Vol. 1. Detroit: Gale, 1999. p175-178. 2 vols.

The economic roots of the Civil War reach almost to the beginning of English settlement in North America. The development of an economy based on the use of slave labor to produce staple crops through a plantation system in the South and a more diverse economy in the North based on free labor set the stage for the development of two economies within one country. Increasingly after 1800 the needs of these two economies were incompatible.

 

[M-5]

TB- I have Read these before and have never argued that slavery was right(btw history shows every race has had slaves ) . But in the end whether the states proclaimed slavery as why they seceded or not, it was about Money and Northern aggression. The flag in debate is the battle flag that has never flown as a representation of another country. It is a flag that represents a tragic time in our history where hundreds of thousands of lives were lost in battle. No one is protesting the flags of the ships that brought these slaves here which should really be the outrage. or the native people flags of the lands that sold these slaves. Its a dark Dark time in our history but over 90% of the solders that fought this war never owned a slave. They only wanted to be free. we have Black pride, Muslim pride, Korean pride, Jewish pride. etc, etc but if anyone mentions Southern Pride well that's not possible they are all racist

 

[SJB]

we have Black pride, Muslim pride, Korean pride, Jewish pride. etc, etc but if anyone mentions Southern Pride well that's not possible they are all racist

This is my point, which I'm afraid may have been missed.

The difference is, there is no black, muslim, korean, or jewish flag flying from the Statehouse or Courthouse. If there were, you (and I) would be pissed.

 

[fenceman]

Actually there wer several "official" flags for the confederacy and yes it's the battle flag....but it is still a flag of a foreign country. It's the one also flown over all the "Six Flags" amusement parks.

Tb the Texas flag is also a battle flag. Carried in war against Mexicans and Comanche.
It's also was first the flag of a foreign nation. The republic of Texas

 

[slick4591]

I've read a number of articles that want to bootstrap a couple of Confederate guys words about slavery and call it evidence that the war was all about slavery. However, it's real evidence that dictates what a person should argue.

The Civil War started April 12, 1861.

Lincoln was anti-slavery prior to his presidential win. Slavery was being practiced in the north until Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation issued January 1, 1863. That's when the Lincoln introduced the slavery issue into the war.

 

[cow pollinater]

This is racism fueled by the government. If blacks felt descriminated against by that flag being flown then the could and should have addressed that at some point in time in a civil manner but they haven't. The pc reaction of banning that particular flag is an attempt to ignore history to appease certain groups which is the opposite of equality. Equality is when we all get to be ourselves and nobody cares that you are different.
The flag had nothing to do with the shooting. The only decent way for anyone who really believes in equality to react to the situation is to be full of sorrow that people were shot and killed. If a woman is killed by a man we don't ban football because it is primarily a man's sport because we see women as equal so it's a simple case of one person killing another. I understand that in this case the motivating factor was race but one sick individual does not speak for an entire culture.
What needs to happen is for that flag to stay up and the people that fly it support the victims of this violence and see that justice is served because they care that people got killed no matter what their skin color is.

 

[Angus Cowman]

Very well said Caleb
Black people say that they shouldn't be judge by what some of the people in their race do ( drugs, gangs,lack of morals,racism) so why should whites be judged for what some of the people in their race do ( drugs,gangs,lack of morals, racism)

I have found that the ones that scream racism all the time are usually the ones who either don't have a job or are on the gov't handout or they are the ones who profit ( Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson) by stirring up the aforementioned members of their race

 

[ALACOWMAN]

They want the flag down, and this is the perfect opertunity for them to get it done..along with the bleeding hearts that feel guilty wearing white skin..might give them a warm feeling all over.but it won't stop racism...

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

As soon as some poor little race baiter decides the Stars and Stripes is racist it will be next. And after the liberals beat on it for a few years all the ones that is for taking down the Battle Flag will be for removing it to. Wouldn't be PC to oppose the Left.

 

[TexasBred]

Actually there wer several "official" flags for the confederacy and yes it's the battle flag....but it is still a flag of a foreign country. It's the one also flown over all the "Six Flags" amusement parks.

Tb the Texas flag is also a battle flag. Carried in war against Mexicans and Comanche.
It's also was first the flag of a foreign nation. The republic of Texas

It was not a foreign flag to the Republic of Texas.

I have no loyalty nor any real respect for any flag except that of the United States of America regardless of how many stars it had in it. I also find it hard to understand why even southerners would find pride in literally worshiping a system as that which existed in the south at the time of the civil war all the while yelling "northern agression" and "states rights" when the only states rights in question was secession and slavery. We lost an entire generation of fine americans from both the north and the south and did not accomplish one dam thing in the process. Then we southerners have the audacity to bytch about reconstruction when we could have all been shot for treason.

This is Bull shyt as far as I'm concerned. I'm proud to be an american and blessed to live in the south...more particularly in Texas. If you disagree that is your right.

Now I have an American flag out front of the house on my flag pole with the Texas Flag under it. Guess tomorrow i'll see if I can find a Mexican flag, a confederate battle flag, and maybe the queer rainbow flag and add them. Then hopefully all you SOB's will be covered. I"m gone.

 

[TexasBred]

I've read a number of articles that want to bootstrap a couple of Confederate guys words about slavery and call it evidence that the war was all about slavery. However, it's real evidence that dictates what a person should argue.

The Civil War started April 12, 1861.

Lincoln was anti-slavery prior to his presidential win. Slavery was being practiced in the north until Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation issued January 1, 1863. That's when the Lincoln introduced the slavery issue into the war.

Tell the boys at Ft. Sumpter. They fired the first shots. Tell S. Carolina who seceded before Lincoln was even sworn into office. BTW the Emancipation proclamation freed no one. It didn't affect the north and could not be enforced in the South....nothing but a hollow speech. Thus the need for the 13th Amendment in 1865 which finally freed all slaves.

 

[fenceman]

Actually there wer several "official" flags for the confederacy and yes it's the battle flag....but it is still a flag of a foreign country. It's the one also flown over all the "Six Flags" amusement parks.

Tb the Texas flag is also a battle flag. Carried in war against Mexicans and Comanche.
It's also was first the flag of a foreign nation. The republic of Texas

It was not a foreign flag to the Republic of Texas.

I have no loyalty nor any real respect for any flag except that of the United States of America regardless of how many stars it had in it. I also find it hard to understand why even southerners would find pride in literally worshiping a system as that which existed in the south at the time of the civil war all the while yelling "northern agression" and "states rights" when the only states rights in question was secession and slavery. We lost an entire generation of fine americans from both the north and the south and did not accomplish one dam thing in the process. Then we southerners have the audacity to bytch about reconstruction when we could have all been shot for treason.

This is Bull shyt as far as I'm concerned. I'm proud to be an american and blessed to live in the south...more particularly in Texas. If you disagree that is your right.

Now I have an American flag out front of the house on my flag pole with the Texas Flag under it. Guess tomorrow i'll see if I can find a Mexican flag, a confederate battle flag, and maybe the queer rainbow flag and add them. Then hopefully all you SOB's will be covered. I"m gone.

Dam tb I didn't mean nothing by it. Just stating fact , that's all. I mean your all about facts, yeah.
You can fly whatever flag you want sir. See you have that right. Because?