True Grit Farms
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Supa Dexta":4w1ogrcy said:Anything with that much white would be destined for the feed bunk.
It is, isn't that what all registered breeders should do?
Supa Dexta":4w1ogrcy said:Anything with that much white would be destined for the feed bunk.
Why is a female with that much white "destined for the feed bunk", by registered breeders? Don't we remember what Simmental's started out as? Why is it different if a female is black and white?True Grit Farms":2sfn77ig said:Supa Dexta":2sfn77ig said:Anything with that much white would be destined for the feed bunk.
It is, isn't that what all registered breeders should do?
Calving ease is sooo overrated. :roll:Franke":3aeqor51 said:a breeder that had two cut out and had a couple hard pulls.
Son of Butch":2m6a944n said:Calving ease is sooo overrated. :roll:Franke":2m6a944n said:a breeder that had two cut out and had a couple hard pulls.
Till-Hill":2d5pnqrr said:Not many Simmental bulls without any Legacy/Shear Force in them that are bet the ranch heifer bulls.
Till-Hill":18f7v7cl said:Son of Butch":18f7v7cl said:Calving ease is sooo overrated. :roll:Franke":18f7v7cl said:a breeder that had two cut out and had a couple hard pulls.
SOB, I just looked up Broadway's progeny report. Has over 500 calves registered in 2 calf crops. How many calves did he sire to that were not reported/registered? If they was only 2 deads and a couple hard pulls I'd take them odds.
I'm in no way saying he is the best bull in the breed. I just think people over look some things.
Like I said before people jump the gun on these young unproven bulls and use them on heifers. The ones that turn out to be heifer bulls they get along fine. The ones destined to be cow bulls it's a train wreck. As a Simmental guy myself I find using an Angus bull most of the times to be a better option pedigree wise. Not many Simmental bulls without any Legacy/Shear Force in them that are bet the ranch heifer bulls.
IF Only then we are talking a new world record for any breed.... 2 out of over 500 = less than 0.04% death loss.Till-Hill":3smogpwn said:I looked up Broadway's progeny report.... over 500 calves registered in 2 calf crops.Son of Butch":3smogpwn said:Calving ease is sooo overrated. :roll:Franke":3smogpwn said:a breeder that had two cut out and had a couple hard pulls.
If only 2 deads and a couple hard pulls I'd take them odds.
I didn't ask who it was or how many calves they had out of him. I'm sure if you call Tom or Ed they will give you some straight answers on him.Son of Butch":20vazp1s said:IF Only then we are talking a new world record for any breed.... 2 out of over 500 = less than 0.04% death loss.Till-Hill":20vazp1s said:I looked up Broadway's progeny report.... over 500 calves registered in 2 calf crops.Son of Butch":20vazp1s said:Calving ease is sooo overrated. :roll:
If only 2 deads and a couple hard pulls I'd take them odds.
Obviously it's not the whole story if one guy reports 2 cut out (in addition to hard pulls) in his herd alone.
How many calves did this 1 fellow have sired by this bull? Was it 2 out of 10? 20? 50?
We don't know as that part was not stated.
Fire Sweep Ranch":3hr63qmk said:I would never use an Angus bull on my simmentals.... there are too many good calving ease simmentals bulls I can use instead!
My heifers have produced calves worthy of selling as seedstock. I have posted numerous pictures of our Optomizer heifer, out of a first calf heifer. She is due Oct 1st to Elevate. You should not be producing throw away calves if you are a good purebred breeder. Know your genetics, match your cattle. That is why we AI, I can match each heifer to the bull that will best cross with her.
There will always be exceptions to every rule about cattle. Most of our calves out of heifers are sold as feeder calves. I would say most of it because they are smaller and out of angus bulls. I do have one this year out of Yellowstone that I bought that is doing really well and will market as breeding stock. We as a family agree it's better to have a little calf with no problems to jump start the heifer to being a cow than to have some issues and screw her up for the rest of her life.True Grit Farms":mnp8m4sx said:Fire Sweep Ranch":mnp8m4sx said:I would never use an Angus bull on my simmentals.... there are too many good calving ease simmentals bulls I can use instead!
My heifers have produced calves worthy of selling as seedstock. I have posted numerous pictures of our Optomizer heifer, out of a first calf heifer. She is due Oct 1st to Elevate. You should not be producing throw away calves if you are a good purebred breeder. Know your genetics, match your cattle. That is why we AI, I can match each heifer to the bull that will best cross with her.
Have you ever had any yearlings bulls or heifers in any of the university feed evaluation sales? Very few heifers can produce enough milk for the calf to make adg weight. We don't throw away any calves, but I've been known to cut and cull a bunch of keepers though.
I know what works and what doesn't around here, and a heifers calf can not compare to a good cows calf with the same breeding. No bs just fact.
True Grit Farms":1ek9fg28 said:a heifers calf can not compare to a good cows calf with the same breeding. No bs just fact.
Stocker Steve":xrmejyir said:True Grit Farms":xrmejyir said:a heifers calf can not compare to a good cows calf with the same breeding. No bs just fact.
Amazing amount of growth in some modern genetics. I have one simi angus bull calf from a heifer that is 100# bigger than any of the rest - - he is a milk thief. :nod: How does that effect EPDs?
Only reason we do is to shy away from Legacy/Shear Force. And we are mostly SimAngus. Another reason why is our cattle are getting to little. I can use a 6+ frame Angus. Not many 6+ frame Simmentals calving ease.Fire Sweep Ranch":1k10mie4 said:I would never use an Angus bull on my simmentals.... there are too many good calving ease simmentals bulls I can use instead!
My heifers have produced calves worthy of selling as seedstock. I have posted numerous pictures of our Optomizer heifer, out of a first calf heifer. She is due Oct 1st to Elevate. You should not be producing throw away calves if you are a good purebred breeder. Know your genetics, match your cattle. That is why we AI, I can match each heifer to the bull that will best cross with her.