ga. prime":3cldb9j0 said:
I agree with this analysis in that a great deal of the appearance of this bull is accomplished by the finish afforded him. And the calf also to a certain degree. I do think, however, that this is a fine representation of the POTENTIAL that can be achieved by careful thought and planned breeding practices. We all have a tendency to criticize things that are not perfect or meet our particular standards, nevertheless, finish or not, this is a terrific example of an Angus bull which has good phenotype and a genetic potential to improve most herds in America - Angus or crossbreeding programs. If he can perform through a breeding season and maintain a modicum of conditioning and substance, he could show his muscularity and take the breeder's herd up to the next level or two.1848":3kykp4no said:Nice looking bull, but still not a exteme amount of muscle expression. He looks like he has more finish then natural muscle. Put him on about 30 head for 60 days in the pasture, then send in a picture of him.
His calf is also fitted. Got any pics of just pasture calves?
murrey grey are basically an angus everone knows it, except for ranch farmers in the US, in australia where MG,s are from we know they are an Angus,=in silver ,the photo of the so called well muscled Angus bull is a show pony who has been on a diet of grains etc. of course you probably wouldnt think that would you. :cboy:Topsquar-I'm at somewhat of a loss to understand why you seem to be rather grumpy on this post! I don't read where anyone has disagreed with you, or argued with you! Are you contentious because there is a breed of beef cattle which, over a period of 40 years or so, conscientous breeders have salvaged from the "Pony" Farm and, by very careful selection and mating, have managed to present a breed (Angus- by breed name) which, admittedly, at one time looked similar to your very attractive Murray Grey's, but at this time are a profitable and successful representative of the "Business Breed"? Are you jealous of the Angus Breed's Calving Ease, Birth Weight, Milk producing ability, Marbling Scores, Ribeye Area, minimal external fat thickness, % of Intramuscular Fat, Weaned Calf Value, Feedlot Value of the average Angus Feedlot steer (Not just a few selective individuals), the Grid value overall average, or the percent of Retail Product which the "black" hided finished steers present, - or - perhaps you are envious of the phenominal Public Relations and Entrepreneurial success that the American Angus Association has accomplished in the interest of the Angus seedstock users in their Beef BU$INE$$E$? Or - on the other hand - are you covetous of the exceptional and extraordinary cross-breeding abilities that Angus display over and above almost every other breed for heterosis and hybrid vigor and the resulting Yield Grade scores with a minimum of external fat cover? I have searched diligently for scientific evidence that the Murray Grey breed can even approach the success that the Angus breed has achieved in providing the "KEY" in opening the door to uniting complimentary traits in crossbreeding - but with no success. Is it because those traits in Murray Grey' s just - aren't there? I can assure you that the Angus breed accomplished these Genetic successes on ranches considerably larger than 10 acres!topsquar":6u1wohgd said:yawn" those murrey greys are what angus looked like 30-40 years ago, before Angus where Americanized , you guys probably wont believe me, because while your sitting on your pc with your ranch of 10 cows you think your big time,
DOC HARRIS":2rk10lz0 said:Topsquar-I'm at somewhat of a loss to understand why you seem to be rather grumpy on this post! I don't read where anyone has disagreed with you, or argued with you! Are you contentious because there is a breed of beef cattle which, over a period of 40 years or so, conscientous breeders have salvaged from the "Pony" Farm and, by very careful selection and mating, have managed to present a breed (Angus- by breed name) which, admittedly, at one time looked similar to your very attractive Murray Grey's, but at this time are a profitable and successful representative of the "Business Breed"? Are you jealous of the Angus Breed's Calving Ease, Birth Weight, Milk producing ability, Marbling Scores, Ribeye Area, minimal external fat thickness, % of Intramuscular Fat, Weaned Calf Value, Feedlot Value of the average Angus Feedlot steer (Not just a few selective individuals), the Grid value overall average, or the percent of Retail Product which the "black" hided finished steers present, - or - perhaps you are envious of the phenominal Public Relations and Entrepreneurial success that the American Angus Association has accomplished in the interest of the Angus seedstock users in their Beef BU$INE$$E$? Or - on the other hand - are you covetous of the exceptional and extraordinary cross-breeding abilities that Angus display over and above almost every other breed for heterosis and hybrid vigor and the resulting Yield Grade scores with a minimum of external fat cover? I have searched diligently for scientific evidence that the Murray Grey breed can even approach the success that the Angus breed has achieved in providing the "KEY" in opening the door to uniting complimentary traits in crossbreeding - but with no success. Is it because those traits in Murray Grey' s just - aren't there? I can assure you that the Angus breed accomplished these Genetic successes on ranches considerably larger than 10 acres!topsquar":2rk10lz0 said:yawn" those murrey greys are what angus looked like 30-40 years ago, before Angus where Americanized , you guys probably wont believe me, because while your sitting on your pc with your ranch of 10 cows you think your big time,
Perhaps that is why you seem - cranky - tonight! Or - perhaps it is the "silver" color which is a bone of contention with you. In any case - you can improve your state of mind by consuming a juicy Angus steak and the purchase of an Angus Bull with Low Birth Weight, High Marbling, Moderate Milk production, and High $Beef Value to breed to your Murray Grey brood cows with the Beautiful Phenotype.
DOC HARRIS
Did you also mention that they gain as well or better on test as the so-called terminal breeds do? 
