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actually, i was talking about both. in my mind and around our place, when you're talking about castrating, there's not much difference.....once that band goes on or the knife hits him, those registration papers won't do him much good. :lol:

we band at birth, no tetanus. if we miss one or later decide that one of the bull calves isn't growing to its potential, we'll band and give a tetanus.

if you do a search, you should be able to find quite a few discussions about creep feeding. here's a pretty good one to get you started: http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 93&start=0

and i would say she's a good example of more than a wormy cow (or a Johne's cow).

how far are you from Dayton, Crowder?

when you post on the boards & ask for opinions, be prepared to not like some of the responses. but just because you don't like the response, doesn't mean it's wrong. Texan made a good point.......your own vet (or the vet nearest the guy you're trying to help) would be the best source of help...

it depends on what you're doing with them. if you're keeping them in your herd, nothing happens except that you will not be certified-free (most herds aren't). if you're planning to move them out of state or consign them to a special sale, they'll need health papers which would require a tb...

back to the original question......... we have our premise ID and we keep records to qualify. what about you, Mike? have you signed up?

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index ... umpy%2cjaw http://cvmstudent.cvm.msu.edu/cvm2008/v ... _bovis.htm http://www.bartleby.com/65/lu/lumpyjaw.html

lumpy jaw is one of the first things that came to my mind. i'm not sure what "too young" is for lumpy jaw but i've seen it in some fairly young calves (2-3 months). if it is lumpy jaw, you may need to have a vet look at it. ours likes to give an iodide solution i.v. as treatment along...

nice thought of you peeing on your hands. :shock:

you might want to consider a different vet. unless for some reason you didn't want a c-section, there's no reason he couldn't have done one with her down. he also should have been able to cut the calf up with her down.

we also used AgriMectin for the first time this year......we'll see how it works.

the question was asked in 1999. my guess is he's already found some by now.

if you're wanting to feed it, since the calf is 4 mos old, i'd give it creep instead of extra milk replacer.

sorry to hear about the bull calf, but good news about your daughter & "adopted" calf.

just enough training to get her to go through the chute & catch her in the headgate.

i don't know why it wouldn't? that's not much below body temp & they live that long inside the cow

just another opinion, but unless you have an orphan yourself, i probably wouldn't go to the trouble of trying to graft a calf with a heifer. just let her dry up & rebreed.

i agree w/putting the nipple in his mouth & working his jaws up & down. one thing to check on is to make sure the hole in the nipple is big enough. newborns (& especially calves that don't want to nurse) need the milk to flow pretty easily & usually the holes that are in the nipple when you...