What do these EPDs numbers mean and what's the difference?

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Hello all I need some help I am fairly new to the cattle buying process for Angus beef cattle (mainly Heifers and cows) and I had some questions I'm looking at the EPDs in the sales catalogs (for heifers) and some of them the numbers are different for the MB/Marb category I've seen 3 different numbers writing styles in this category there I+45, +1.45 or +.45. are they different? does it mean the same thing just written different? all I've found so far in my search is average MB for bulls nothing for heifers or cows so when I'm looking at these catalogs I have no clue what the average is and if by going up in number is that's better for the MB or down. And I'm facing the same issue with the CED I'm getting some websites that say that the more negative CED the better and some saying the higher the number the better. I know I need a full lesson but don't know where to start do I start with how to judge in the pasture or somewhere else I want to know what I'm looking at with these catalogs and what I'm buying I know the bare minimum but not enough. if anyone has any advice or can just tell me the difference in these numbers I would be very grateful.
 
Hello all I need some help I am fairly new to the cattle buying process for Angus beef cattle (mainly Heifers and cows) and I had some questions I'm looking at the EPDs in the sales catalogs (for heifers) and some of them the numbers are different for the MB/Marb category I've seen 3 different numbers writing styles in this category there I+45, +1.45 or +.45. are they different? does it mean the same thing just written different? all I've found so far in my search is average MB for bulls nothing for heifers or cows so when I'm looking at these catalogs I have no clue what the average is and if by going up in number is that's better for the MB or down. And I'm facing the same issue with the CED I'm getting some websites that say that the more negative CED the better and some saying the higher the number the better. I know I need a full lesson but don't know where to start do I start with how to judge in the pasture or somewhere else I want to know what I'm looking at with these catalogs and what I'm buying I know the bare minimum but not enough. if anyone has any advice or can just tell me the difference in these numbers I would be very grateful.
It's good that you are asking. Depending on your focus, some EPDs are going to be more important to you than others. Also take note, EPDs for one breed are not the equivalent of EPDs for another breed. You need to do two things first. Decide on what EPDs are the most important to you (CE is usually at the top, calving ease) and what breed you are looking at. Additionally, what kind of market are you looking at? If you are looking at marbleing, my guess would be you are looking to focus on custom/freezer beef, private sale.

By the way, please post your location. We have members all over and many of them will come and help you if you are close enough.
 
It's good that you are asking. Depending on your focus, some EPDs are going to be more important to you than others. Also take note, EPDs for one breed are not the equivalent of EPDs for another breed. You need to do two things first. Decide on what EPDs are the most important to you (CE is usually at the top, calving ease) and what breed you are looking at. Additionally, what kind of market are you looking at? If you are looking at marbleing, my guess would be you are looking to focus on custom/freezer beef, private sale.

By the way, please post your location. We have members all over and many of them will come and help you if you are close enough. BTW, welcome to Cattle Today. I myself do not raise cattle. I am the NRCS State Grazing Specialist for South Carolina.
 
Hello all I need some help I am fairly new to the cattle buying process for Angus beef cattle (mainly Heifers and cows) and I had some questions I'm looking at the EPDs in the sales catalogs (for heifers) and some of them the numbers are different for the MB/Marb category I've seen 3 different numbers writing styles in this category there I+45, +1.45 or +.45. are they different? does it mean the same thing just written different? all I've found so far in my search is average MB for bulls nothing for heifers or cows so when I'm looking at these catalogs I have no clue what the average is and if by going up in number is that's better for the MB or down. And I'm facing the same issue with the CED I'm getting some websites that say that the more negative CED the better and some saying the higher the number the better. I know I need a full lesson but don't know where to start do I start with how to judge in the pasture or somewhere else I want to know what I'm looking at with these catalogs and what I'm buying I know the bare minimum but not enough. if anyone has any advice or can just tell me the difference in these numbers I would be very grateful.
If you are looking to get started in the cattle business, consider doing what @Warren Allison "schooled me" on earlier within the past 24 hours. Purchase a proven cow that is bred with a calf at her side. That's 3 animals for the price of one, and you can sell the calf within 6 months. If you buy a heifer to breed, you are looking at 2 to 2.5 years before you sell a calf off of her.
 
Hello all I need some help I am fairly new to the cattle buying process for Angus beef cattle (mainly Heifers and cows) and I had some questions I'm looking at the EPDs in the sales catalogs (for heifers) and some of them the numbers are different for the MB/Marb category I've seen 3 different numbers writing styles in this category there I+45, +1.45 or +.45. are they different? does it mean the same thing just written different? all I've found so far in my search is average MB for bulls nothing for heifers or cows so when I'm looking at these catalogs I have no clue what the average is and if by going up in number is that's better for the MB or down. And I'm facing the same issue with the CED I'm getting some websites that say that the more negative CED the better and some saying the higher the number the better. I know I need a full lesson but don't know where to start do I start with how to judge in the pasture or somewhere else I want to know what I'm looking at with these catalogs and what I'm buying I know the bare minimum but not enough. if anyone has any advice or can just tell me the difference in these numbers I would be very grateful.
I just noticed you were viewing the EPD guide I shared. It probably left you with more questions than answers, but that can be a good thing.
 
What you can do is pull up the full pedigree of the animal on the American Angus Association website. Search for the animal by registration number. Pull up the animal and the full EPD profile of the animal will be underneath the pedigree. Under MB there will be a number, usually less than +1.0 but it could be over for a high marbling EPD. Underneath that number is a number less than 1.0 which is the accuracy of the EPD and underneath that is the percentile that marbling score falls within the breed. So you might have MB EPD of +.75 with accuracy of .65 and with that MB EPD animal is in the top 30th percentile of the breed (just an example as I do not know offhand where MB of +.75 would be percentage wise, but that is how to take a deeper dive into the EPDs)
 
You mentioned angus cattle. Here is a description of the AAA epd's.

It is important to know the units for the epd numbers. On weight based epd's, the units are pounds. On Calving Ease Direct, the units are percent.

The document says: "Calving Ease Direct (CED), is expressed as a difference in percentage of unassisted births, with a higher value indicating greater calving ease in first-calf heifers. It predicts the average difference in ease with which a sire's calves will be born when he is bred to first-calf heifers."
Higher value indicates greater calving ease than a low value. You will have to decide if more calving ease is "best or not". Many would recommend avoiding extremes in all epd's. Most would probably say that more CED, more WW, more YW, more milk are "better". But that is not always true unless you need "more" of that trait. At some point, "more" might/will become bad. More milk may mean hard keeping inefficient cows that do not last. Beef cows that milk like a holstein are not "best". "Best" numbers for terminal (sell all calves for beef) situations will be different than "best" numbers where replacements (breeding stock) are retained.

Marbling epd units are USDA marbling score. Higher number means more marbling.

Remember that there is no direct calculation between an epd number and the actual value of the parameter. Bull A with a CED of 5 and Bull B with a CED of 15 is a difference of 10. That indicates that the % of first calf heifers bred to Bull B that require assistance should be about 10% less than the % of first calf heifers requiring assistance when bred to Bull A. What % of the heifers will require assistance? No information in the epd's to answer the question. If the heifers have small pelvic areas and are mud fat, then lots of assistance required for both bull's calves. Estimated to be 10% more for Bull A than bull B. If the heifers have large pelvic areas, plenty of size/growth/frame without being fat, then expect very few to require any assistance. Again, don't try to turn an epd value into a prediction of absolute values of the units.

Here are the AAA averages for epd's.

Here is some info on carcass epd's.

Epd's with an I indicate an interim value until the next complete update/recalculation of the registry epd's. Explained here:

GoWyo has explained epd accuracy and percentiles. Accuracies are just as important as the epd numbers. Percentiles are an easy way to rank without having to remember average values. 50 percentile is breed average. 99 is bottom of breed. 1 is top of breed.

Lots of information on the web. Plan to spend some time reading, researching, thinking and pondering. Some traits are inversely related. You increase one and you decrease another. Make too much gain in one area and lose too much in another. Don't chase numbers for the sake of numbers. Don't chase extremes.
 
What are your goals for purchasing heifers? Are you starting a herd, upgrading a herd, aiming to start a registered operation or commercial?

Ken
 
You have been given some great explanations of how epds work.
But I always caution people that epds can be subjective and also in my honest opinion feed, environment, and stress play a huge role.
The best epds in the world won't help you if you don't first make sure the cattle are being raised correctly. Sometimes people buy cattle that have great epds, put them out in the pasture, don't give them good mineral program, or high quality forage and then expect them to perform.
 
For sure, nutrition and environment have way more effect on performance than epd's. Epd's are used to predict/explain the performance difference between sire groups in the same environment/nutrition level. There might be a 50# difference in weaning weights between sire groups. Nutrition and environment will determine if those weaning weights are in the 350 to 400# range or if they are in the 650 to 700# range. Nutrition probably has better return on investment as well. But same principle applies to nutrition - don't chase extremes.
 

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