TexasBred
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It only takes one deep bruise on the bottom of one hoof to potential screw up all 4 feet, none of it having anything to do with genetics.knabe":1uivfuhy said:
Very, Very Old Angus Genetics
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andybob
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I have posted some in the past, I don't know how good the pictures in my camera are, so will get some new pictures of the Angus this week and post them, the Hereford are overwintering on another farm, so will have to wait untill I am up country, but will get some pictures then.3waycross":2ktafjnv said:
The farm website needs updating, so there are no decent pictures there at the moment I will speak to the new computer marketing girl to get some good livestock pictures on.
I always enjoy going to the breeder sales where they have the old foundation sire's pictures hanging on the wall. This is a very interesting thread, and I have looked at some of the semen sales catalog sites where they only had little semen of a bull remaining. The prices were out of sight.
One thing I have noticed about the cattle's hoove's; the cattle with a straighter shoulder, their feet stay in good shape, and the toes stay trimmed, but the ones with the sloping shoulder, the toes tend to get longer. Of course that is a no brainer. I have seen bulls with good shoulders covering cows in the pasture, but still, their toes were getting too long.
So,a straight shoulder does have one good trait!
Chuckie
One thing I have noticed about the cattle's hoove's; the cattle with a straighter shoulder, their feet stay in good shape, and the toes stay trimmed, but the ones with the sloping shoulder, the toes tend to get longer. Of course that is a no brainer. I have seen bulls with good shoulders covering cows in the pasture, but still, their toes were getting too long.
So,a straight shoulder does have one good trait!
Chuckie
upfrombottom
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andybob":2q09kmib said:
I'm assuming this herd is made up of both, the red and black hided?
andybob
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http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0078.jpg
Native Angus bull.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0079.jpg
Same bull
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... 0081-3.jpg
rear view
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0073.jpg
Second bull
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0075.jpg
Second bull rear view
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0076.jpg
Second bull grazing
It has been raining daily, so had little chance to take pictures, I will get some more once the weather allows.
Native Angus bull.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0079.jpg
Same bull
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... 0081-3.jpg
rear view
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0073.jpg
Second bull
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0075.jpg
Second bull rear view
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10 ... G_0076.jpg
Second bull grazing
It has been raining daily, so had little chance to take pictures, I will get some more once the weather allows.
Oldtimer
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Dap":3ll0zw9l said:
Well- ask me in about 10 years how those old Ballot of Belladrum genetics like the shortgrass country of northern Montana... ;-)
I just got off the phone with Taylor over at Whitney Creek Ranch- who informed me that the Octoraro Ballot STO 6 (15521058) daughter out of a Logan of Wye UMF 6692 daughter (15461051) that I put in a bid for at his sale today was one of the ones we'd gotten bought....
If she performs as well as some of the other heifers I've bought from him- I'm sure I won't be disappointed...
As an overdue update we recently had a heifer calf sired by Alezus of Craigie out of a Jols Eric of Craigie daughter, heifer calves sired by Alexegi of Craigie out of a Jols Eric of Craigie and Jotham Eric of Craigie daughter, two Forceful of Wye sired heifer calves out of Forward of Wickwire daughters, and two Black Lode of Craigie sired bull calves out of similarly bred cows. Still some of the old stuff being put to use and functioning well.
Bishop...you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Bishop...you really have no idea what you are talking about.
cmf1
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Just started with this thread.
Kdpihf, I'm intrigued by your use of older genetics. I don't know anything about Angus genetics, but I'm curious about the age of the semen you are using. How long has it been on ice? Is any of it widely available? Have you found viability to fertilize decreases with age?
Thanks
Kdpihf, I'm intrigued by your use of older genetics. I don't know anything about Angus genetics, but I'm curious about the age of the semen you are using. How long has it been on ice? Is any of it widely available? Have you found viability to fertilize decreases with age?
Thanks
Any of these "rare" bulls interest you guys?
NAME Reg# Quant.
Ankonian Werner Wild Fire 96 15373359 100
Apex Transform 013 12039689 20
BT Ultravox 297E 12396224 10
Century Touchstone 131 11601330 17
G A R Maximum Impact 3103 12080055 15
G13 Steel 14741502 145
Gardens Highmark 13047487 15
Hoff Banker SC 915 732 14219323 68
Hoff Heartland 11775828 80
Hoff Limited Edition SC 594 13119152 57
ISU Imaging Q9111 13567604 40
LD Redirect 14121653 84
Leachman Tonto 10937839 12
Lemmon Seven Plus 13438124 2
OSU Precision 679B 11578287 9
Pro Trend 9042 L W 11438436 4
R R Scotchcap 9440 11293310 12
Rito 4612 of Rita 8G23 1I2 14631681 19
SAF Strategy 9015 13334022 24
Sir Williams Montana 10364406 20
V D A R Bando 701 11548243 7
WC Northern Edge 0C04 13500395 131
WFAR Equator 8967 13563932 140
Woodlawn Charge On 14 14754153 19
NAME Reg# Quant.
Ankonian Werner Wild Fire 96 15373359 100
Apex Transform 013 12039689 20
BT Ultravox 297E 12396224 10
Century Touchstone 131 11601330 17
G A R Maximum Impact 3103 12080055 15
G13 Steel 14741502 145
Gardens Highmark 13047487 15
Hoff Banker SC 915 732 14219323 68
Hoff Heartland 11775828 80
Hoff Limited Edition SC 594 13119152 57
ISU Imaging Q9111 13567604 40
LD Redirect 14121653 84
Leachman Tonto 10937839 12
Lemmon Seven Plus 13438124 2
OSU Precision 679B 11578287 9
Pro Trend 9042 L W 11438436 4
R R Scotchcap 9440 11293310 12
Rito 4612 of Rita 8G23 1I2 14631681 19
SAF Strategy 9015 13334022 24
Sir Williams Montana 10364406 20
V D A R Bando 701 11548243 7
WC Northern Edge 0C04 13500395 131
WFAR Equator 8967 13563932 140
Woodlawn Charge On 14 14754153 19
R V
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kdpihf":3rbzw0uc said:
Do you have any pictures of your cattle or a web site? I would be interested in learning more about your cattle.
Thanks!
Oldtimer
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Oldtimer":391rnij6 said:
Here is picures of a few of my cows- with their calves...These pics were taken in Sept- the calves were weaned Nov. 1...
The last bull calf is the first calf out of the Octoraro Ballot STO 6 heifer ( a Ballot of Belladrum grandson)... We sold him to an Angus ranch (D & L Angus) that was looking for some outlier genetics... Many folks that bought the bulls were interested because they were looking for different genetics... As one fellow said- you can go to half a dozen sales- and see almost the exact genetics at each..
W C R Katherines Lass 017X #16769667 with her first year heifer calf... Sired by Lazy Bar B Old Gabe AAA# 16742011 (O C C Magnitude X Cole Creek Juanada Lad 81T)...
AWW 585
This is the bull calf that really caught my eye this year.. W C R Floret 749T # 15802668 and her son...Cow is turning into a nice cow... Sired by Lazy Bar B Old Gabe
AAA# 16742011 (O C C Magnitude X Cole Creek Juanada Lad 81T)...
AWW 646
A son of Cole Creek Juanada Rain 127W # 16453125 Sired by Lazy Bar B Juanada Rito 06X
AAA # 16741353 (Whitney Creek Legacy 726T X Cole Creek Goldmere 31N)
AWW 675
A son of W C R Celtic Beauty 013X # 16769947 ... Sired by Lazy Bar B Juanada Rito 06X
AAA # 16741353 (Whitney Creek Legacy 726T X Cole Creek Goldmere 31N) This is the Ballot of Belladrum grandson...
AWW 645
A yearling bull- Lazy Bar B West Fork 17049647
2 year old bull - Lazy Bar B Juanada Rito 16741353
Heres a couple of the bulls we used this year- West Fork is a Bannon of Wye grandson son... Juanada Rito traces back 18 times to Rito 707, and 5 times to Shoshone Viking GD-60....
A calf I kept and leased out as a yearling- and will use on some cows/heifers this year.. this is Lazy Bar B Bannon 2 BY 17049646 -- a double bred Bannon of Wye bull calf.. I don't have any recent pictures...
The Whitney Creek Bannon 730T 15800329 A Bannon of Wye son X Basin Max 602C
Cows were scattered around enjoying the grass.. This was about 3 years ago- the Bannon 730T bull watching over his harem...
The W C R Celtic Beauty 013X (Octoraro Ballot STO 6 X Logan of Wye Umf 6692) heifer last June when I turned out bulls...
Oldtimer
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brihop":hrki5o8q said:
If you are interested in Wye cattle here is a website you might want to look at:
http://wyeangus.umd.edu/History.cfm
Wye bulls semen is available - and if you have an interest in cattle- you should get the book The Breed of Noble Bloods by Lingle... A history of the breeding and development of the Wye line of cattle... I recommend anyone that is interested in cattle breeding should read it... I know they have a printing in stock now- because I just ordered... If you run some Wye bloodlines they make a good gift for bull buyers...
http://wyeangus.umd.edu/Book%20Sale.cfm
Those are some fanastic looking cattle Oldtimer... I especially like the Whitney Creek bull and that same bull calf (2nd one down) that caught your eye.
I found a good source for Wye straws, thought I'd share- http://www.sustainablegenetics.com He also has a partner in S.Georgia with straight Wye blood and New Zealand blood bulls available. Personally, I like Beral and Bannon the best.
I found a good source for Wye straws, thought I'd share- http://www.sustainablegenetics.com He also has a partner in S.Georgia with straight Wye blood and New Zealand blood bulls available. Personally, I like Beral and Bannon the best.
Oldtimer
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brihop":2ua2gt6y said:
Thanks brihop-- Yeah, I'm aware of Sustainable Genetics... Universal semen sales in Great Falls MT now has Bannon of Wye semen too ...They also have the Shoshone breeding bull that Taylor now has in Montana- Shea Emo 774- in their lineup... http://universalsemensales.com/breeds/a ... ea-emo-774
hey guys...
I became a partner in "Sustainable Genetics" last year, and am starting "Pinebank Southeast" this year, a partnership with "Pinebank Angus" out of New Zealand. We're getting started with about 90 embryos this year, and plan to grow at that rate for the next few years. Checkout http://pinebank.co.nz/ for a complete rundown on a truly unique operation, and what promises to be a great outcross with old-line angus genetics here in the states. I'm also developing 17 yearling Wye bulls for sale next spring. They came from Ed Oliver, an outstanding breeder of Wye cattle. I've been buying bulls from him for the past 3 years to develop replacement heifers and steers for my grass finishing operation. My business model will be to sell grass based genetics to producers in the Southeast, have them retain heifers and breed back to grass genetics, and sell me the calves at a premium to market prices. I've finished my first 90 acre grazing pivot, modeled after New Zealand style grazing dairy. It has 9 permanent pie-shaped subdivisions, and can be subdivided easily into 27 paddocks with polywire. My first 40 steers are finishing in the next 4-8 weeks on rye and ryegrass....briskets are starting to swell. If you have any questions about the operation feel free to PM.
-dan
I became a partner in "Sustainable Genetics" last year, and am starting "Pinebank Southeast" this year, a partnership with "Pinebank Angus" out of New Zealand. We're getting started with about 90 embryos this year, and plan to grow at that rate for the next few years. Checkout http://pinebank.co.nz/ for a complete rundown on a truly unique operation, and what promises to be a great outcross with old-line angus genetics here in the states. I'm also developing 17 yearling Wye bulls for sale next spring. They came from Ed Oliver, an outstanding breeder of Wye cattle. I've been buying bulls from him for the past 3 years to develop replacement heifers and steers for my grass finishing operation. My business model will be to sell grass based genetics to producers in the Southeast, have them retain heifers and breed back to grass genetics, and sell me the calves at a premium to market prices. I've finished my first 90 acre grazing pivot, modeled after New Zealand style grazing dairy. It has 9 permanent pie-shaped subdivisions, and can be subdivided easily into 27 paddocks with polywire. My first 40 steers are finishing in the next 4-8 weeks on rye and ryegrass....briskets are starting to swell. If you have any questions about the operation feel free to PM.
-dan
The following is prime example of PInebank Angus' mission. Deep barrel chested, great feet and legs, and just plain bullish. He was 15 months old at the time, grown on nothing but grass. Albeit predominantly perennial rye and clover. Probably won't look like this on my bahia, but i bet we can grow them on Ryegrass and Tift 85. Can't wait to have the first calves hit the ground in 2014.
-dan
-dan
Oldtimer
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Nice looking bull Dan... One of the things I like about the Pinebank and Wye bulls I've seen is the nice straight backs on them... They might not have the length of some of the high performance cattle- but they stand up a whole lot better...
Some of the bigger, better, fasters promoted so highly in the semen studs anymore are more swaybacked than a 30 year old horse... ;-) I can't see how their daughters could hold up long in rough country where they have to get out and rustle to find a blade of grass or a waterhole...
Some of the bigger, better, fasters promoted so highly in the semen studs anymore are more swaybacked than a 30 year old horse... ;-) I can't see how their daughters could hold up long in rough country where they have to get out and rustle to find a blade of grass or a waterhole...
R V
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jdg":24sv02ml said:The following is prime example of PInebank Angus' mission. Deep barrel chested, great feet and legs, and just plain bullish. He was 15 months old at the time, grown on nothing but grass. Albeit predominantly perennial rye and clover. Probably won't look like this on my bahia, but i bet we can grow them on Ryegrass and Tift 85. Can't wait to have the first calves hit the ground in 2014.
-dan
Dan,
Like OT, I like the looks of the bull. Do you mind sharing his pedigree?
Ron
